Western, anyone?

[M Hatman]

There is a saying here local..."Only the greenhorn wanta bees show up with an open crown". Heard it more than once. Never to my face. They that said it might obviously be an uneducated retch who don't know their history just yet Flat hats and open crowns are history.....ash trays not so much.

But then this is a most hat shape here local

any place it actually rains an ashtray makes no sense.

Alta California and the original cowboys were a simple flat brim, flat top.

Just like the Boss of the Plains!!! GREAT painting!!!!!

Nice Hat too!!!

M

 

[Hurricane Jack]

A newer Bailey 8x. Might leave it open, at least for now.

Nice hat & good to see you back & posting again, Joe!

 

[Yahoody]

Funny when you think about "cowboy hats" historically. The first "cowboys" were the native vaqueros wearing the black, flat top, flat brim friar's hats or similar hats in straw they made locally. All that was happening in Alta California about 100 years prior to J B Stetson.

Buck Brannaman often wears that style of hat and his daughter, Reata, sponsored a line of Sunbody hats in that style. Don't know if she still does.

Met Buck and Riata and they both do. That and a gazillion of their accolades.

I've never understood the appreciation for those flat crowns. Lotsa rain here. Just don't need anything on my hat to collect it.

Same here.....not much thought behind the hat as a tool...other than as a Brannaman marketing tool

 

[Desert dog]

Funny when you think about "cowboy hats" historically. The first "cowboys" were the native vaqueros wearing the black, flat top, flat brim friar's hats or similar hats in straw they made locally. All that was happening in Alta California about 100 years prior to J B Stetson.



Met Buck and Rata and they both do.



Same here.....not much thought behind the hat as a tool...other than as a Brannaman marketing tool

The Californios had their own horsemanship techniques, which are still practiced with Early California Bridle Horses. Participants dress in the Vaquero tradition. Very interesting history.

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[Yahoody]

The Californios had their own horsemanship techniques, which are still practiced with Early California Bridle Horses. Participants dress in the Vaquero tradition. Very interesting history.

Indeed. As the range land got fenced (by law) in Alta California and then California those techniques and horsemen/stockmen migrated into the Great Basin of Oregon, Nevada, Idaho and Utah along with their open range herds. The Vaquero tradition is very much alive. How those that practice "jaquima to freno" and how most dress or the horse tack while doing so is no more traditional than the Nevada Ashtray hat, typically. That said once the land and climate of "mañana" California was left behind, things/techniques changed. As did the required dress.

It is a world apart from where deer or goat hide Armitas are needed for protection to a pair cow hide and canvas lined Angora Woolies to keep you alive

""jaquima to freno" practoneers could and can be found in both enviroments. But no question the stockmanship was refined over 200 years ago in Alta California. Likely no one even close to doing it well today as many did then. No one has the time.

Agreed, a very interesting history. Much as some would like to rewrite it today.
As grating at times as seeing a 1892 Winchester in a bad Civil war movie ​

 

[Latigo]

""jaquima to freno" practoneers could and can be found in both enviroments. But no question the stockmanship was refined over 200 years ago in Alta California. Likely no one even close to doing it well today as many did then. No one has the time.

Really? BTW You're not using the Bosal properly, it's in the wrong place on your horses' nose.........

Latigo

 

[Desert dog]

""jaquima to freno" practoneers could and can be found in both enviroments. But no question the stockmanship was refined over 200 years ago in Alta California. Likely no one even close to doing it well today as many did then. No one has the time.

Really? BTW You're not using the Bosal properly, it's in the wrong place on your horses' nose.........

Latigo

Beautiful horse and impressive horsemanship!

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[Yahoody]

"No one has the time."
Really? BTW You're not using the Bosal properly, it's in the wrong place on your horses' nose.........

Really. Carson is a good hand. Sanders is better IMO. You posted a photo of him a while back. Also wears a proper hat on occasion. Think what either could do if there wasn't a Internet or TV as starters. "Wrong?" Bridleman are you? Enlighten me.

BTW his saddle is McGowan half seat.

 

[Michael R.]

I love Macky Hats @Yahoody , thats a nice one . Joao is having heart palpitations lusting at that Brim . I think Brim curl comes from LO Heads , that others liked the looks of and copied . I've been planning to get Macky to do my next custom western of a couple of years , maybe one day soon I'll jump .

The black Woomera. It won't be long before black hats come out of my regular rotation to be replaced with lighter colors for the summer. Still looking for a crease that looks good for this one. A rework is due.

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I always enjoy looking at what you've done with your Woomeras Jack .

 

[Hurricane Jack]

I always enjoy looking at what you've done with your Woomeras Jack .

Thanks Michael. I'm thinking about reworking it soon before boxing it away for the Spring. The problem is, it's about #3 in line to be reworked & I'm undecided what I might want to do with it. It is comfortable to wear.

 

[Latigo]

@Yahoody
Really don't know Carson or Sanders but I guess you do. I just happened to find his vid on the tube. I posted it to show that the technique is still practiced today.
Don't matter to me which one of them you think is better just making a point that it's the same today as it was then. Better back when? Your entitled to your opinion...
Enlighten You? I don't think so........you're in the Great Basin surrounded by Flat hats! Maybe you should quit worrying about what they might say about your hat and talk to them.....they might enlighten you......ok here's a hint, it's Way too high on his mug...... Now here's a vid that everyone will enjoy whether you ride or not and it will make you smile. Ride your horse with Nothing but weight shift technique.......

 

[Hurricane Jack]

Now here's a vid that everyone will enjoy...

Indeed! Thanks for posting that, Latigo.

 

[M Hatman]

@Yahoody
Really don't know Carson or Sanders but I guess you do. I just happened to find his vid on the tube. I posted it to show that the technique is still practiced today.
Don't matter to me which one of them you think is better just making a point that it's the same today as it was then. Better back when? Your entitled to your opinion...
Enlighten You? I don't think so........you're in the Great Basin surrounded by Flat hats! Maybe you should quit worrying about what they might say about your hat and talk to them.....they might enlighten you......ok here's a hint, it's Way too high on his mug...... Now here's a vid that everyone will enjoy whether you ride or not and it will make you smile. Ride your horse with Nothing but weight shift technique.......

That was awesome !! Talented woman and horse!! I actually had a mare ( "Brandy," a half Saddlebred/Arab) who while I did not put her through quite those paces, I could walk out to the field, hop on, and ride her back to the barn with no accoutrements. Used my legs as that woman does, really amazed the vet and farrier...... I did practice with her a lot.....she was a great gaming horse........
As an aside, I could just call her up to the barn too, as I could with most of my horses.
M
Those vids and pictures really bring back the memories.....I do really miss my horses sometimes.....

 

[Yahoody]

......ok here's a hint, it's Way too high on his mug......

Glad we cleared up the limit of your knowledge on "jaquima to freno" . The entire system is based on the fact they are signal devices not a leverage tool. Best stick to hats amigo.

 

[M Hatman]

1870's advert trading card.........
M

 

[Yahoody]

... Joao is having heart palpitations lusting at that Brim . I think Brim curl comes from LO Heads , that others liked the looks of and copied ....

I always enjoy looking at what you've done with your Woomeras Jack .

Jack does do some great stuff! Sure is fun to look at.

Agree with your Michael, LO heads do shape a hat brim if you like it or not I've got a really long oval 6 3/4" by 8 1/2". Tough to get a decent fitting hat out of the box with out a Conformateur and a really good hatter. Took me a while to realize that a pencil curl in the back would eliminate the brim curl pretty easily. Latter on making my own hats allowed me to finally get a flat brim if I wanted it. Even then it doesn't happen first time on my head for sizing.

I get a laugh out of the movie Tombstone. Pretty clear that Sam Elliot has a seriously LO head

 

[Bamaboots]

Glad we cleared up the limit of your knowledge on "jaquima to freno" . The entire system is based on the fact they are signal devices not a leverage tool. Best stick to hats amigo.

We've had some debates and spirited discussions before in the hat threads but I never thought there would be one about bosal placement. It's been fun.

 

[Latigo]

@Yahoody "Glad we cleared up the limit of your knowledge on "jaquima to freno""

LOL!.... Nice try but I'm not tacking the bait......Told you I wouldn't enlighten you.....

A bigger hat don't make a bigger man.............

Happy Trails!

Latigo

 

[Yahoody]

Boorish behavior is common on the internet.
"Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak and remove all doubt."

 

[Bamaboots]

Boorish behavior is common on the internet.

Owe you a beer.