What is the name for "Lightweight Canvas"

Discussion in 'General Attire & Accoutrements' started by BellyTank, Aug 7, 2008.

  1. BellyTank

    BellyTank I'll Lock Up

    I'm posting this here because I want to make a garment from this cloth.

    Asking on behalf of myself and "Creeping Past":

    Canvas- the "lighter weight" variety, that looks like a very heavy Poplin(actually, Poplin doesn't have a plain weave, it has a horizontal rib, if you look close enough), with a tight weave, as opposed to the "Heavier" variety, which is chunkier in yarn and appearance- what is it called..?

    Old style canvas fly tents are made from this lightweight canvas, old outdoor clothing, etc.
    It was used for wind-proof type garments, such as Anoraks.

    I always thought the lighter one was called "Cotton Duck" but now, everywhere I look, I see the heavy variety named as Canvas Duck.

    When I lived in Auckland, NZ., there used to be a great Army Surplus store, with a "Tent and Canvas" shop attached, which sold canvas cloth of all varieties- the lighter quality I seek was "Cotton Duck" but I don't recall how the heavier quality was referenced by name.

    Is it that the only way to differentiate the "light" from the "heavy" quality is by weight? - the lighter up to about 8oz, or so.

    It seems it may be one of these cases of the name getting swallowed,
    or lost, through the cloth being replaced by more modern and technical textiles.

    I really don't know.

    A definitive answer would perhaps solve an ongoing sourcing riddle.

    Thanks,


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  2. Maj.Nick Danger

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  3. rumblefish

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    Drill or Cotton Drill, perhaps?

    Just a guess.
     
  4. BellyTank

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    Thanks Mjr. Nick.

    Thanks Rumblefish- drill is not what I'm after- it has a diagonal "twill",
    like Khakis. Canvas has a weave with a flat, even texture.

    The stuff I'm after was used for outdoor gear and sailors work uniforms in the 19th and up to mid 2th Century. Sometimes lighter weight, older Rucksacks are made from it.

    Artist's canvas looks like the heavier stuff that I don't want.
    Think old fly tents.

    Part of the problem is looking at photos on the internet- when you see a close-up of the cloth, it's very difficult to tell what grade of cloth you're looking at, without some kind of scale, or context to gauge the size and courseness of the cloth.


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  5. BellyTank

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    Found a few more lengthy explanations- which, basically, come back to all the names and grades of canvas and cotton duck being used incorrectly, universally...


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    Only thing I can contribute is that in the old accounts I've read, the term "Egyptian Cotton" is used when discussing lightweight tent material.
     
  8. BellyTank

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    Thanks for the help- I've seen the Weavers web site- same descriptions as I've seen on other sites.

    Egyptian cotton is something I need to look into further-
    it is supposed to be the base for treated cloths, such as the "waxed"
    jackets and coats- Barbour, Belstaff, etc.

    But the cloth I'm after is not a premium, nor an expensive cloth.

    I think I'm approaching this the wrong way...

    I need to acquire some swatches, or sample cards- put names to faces.
    A police line-up.


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  9. benstephens

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    BT,

    The only references I can find are too different weights of canvas, Ie 10oz etc, these are in some of my old scouting and tent adverts. Other than that I have drawn a bit of a blank,

    sorry,

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  10. nobodyspecial

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    I've generally only heard of Egyptian cotton. Try emailing Snow Trekker tents or Tentsmiths and see what they use.
     
  11. GWD

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    I've heard of Duck Canvas, can that be it?
     
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  14. Mysterious Mose

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    Seventy pounds worth of Brown Denim.But damn, it looks great!

    It's an investment. It will outlast/look better than ten cheap reasonably good looking modern shirts, if you can find 'em.
    Most of the expensive shoes/stuff I bought, repro or vintage, has been well worth it.
    Good cheap vintage is hard to find. Cheap new stuff, I really like Pointer Brand.


    Missed you on the latest Hillwalkers Gallery updates.

    Hope you're still walking.

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  15. Creeping Past

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    Currently walking alone. But I hope to join my hillwalking pals again soon.

    I've Babelfished that Buzz Rickson brown denim and discovered that their L would be S on me. Maybe they'll get some proper men's sizes out there in time...
     
  16. Mysterious Mose

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    I'm 6'1", size 40 jacket, 34 waist, that's Ralph Lauren XS. He makes some great knitwear that's always way too big for me. You can find real bargains on Ebay.

    Walking alone's nice, I do it all the time, but I had the pleasure of being in Danger Bill's company a few times in the 90's and I can imagine his company adding a lot to the experience. That, and the hills.
     
  17. BellyTank

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    I remember seeing the Brown Denim Trousers and Pullover, a few years ago, in a BR catalogue. I was reminded of the British Brown Denim, used in work wear and some prison uniforms/fatigues. This brown denim is the same as the Wartime British Denim in Olive/Brown and the later olive colours.... but Brown.

    I have a pair of Brown Denim Works Trousers, CC41/1940s.

    See here...

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  18. Mysterious Mose

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    Yeah, these look marvellous! You mentioned turning them into plus four/six/eights, right?

    Btw. the rucksack and creel I mentioned is pretty much like Carhartt's duck.
    I suppose that's not what you're looking for.
     
  19. Not-Bogart13

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    If I'm not mistaken, they use Egyptian Cotton to make bedding. Sheets and stuff. Summer weight I think. Probably not what you're after.
     

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