Wizard of Oz Rumors and Terror

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  1. PrettySquareGal

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    My husband and I watched the Wizard of Oz last night. We've both watched it countless times over the years, naturally. My husband brought up the rumor about the hanging munchkin which was new to me. What are your thoughts about this:



    Unless the "proof" is doctored somehow, that's eerie. It seems that there were multiple versions of the movie released to cover up the death. Yes, I saw the Snopes article refuting it but I didn't see this specific (but possibly altered by a fan) version mentioned. Still, I'm not totally convinced but would like to be because if it's true it's awful.

    (If anyone will know the answer to this it's Lizzie!)

    I also didn't know until now that the snow scene was filmed using asbestos! More disturbing rumors or facts:

    https://lwlies.com/articles/the-wizard-of-oz-munchkin-hanging-scene/

    What are your thoughts? Also, has anyone watched The Dark Side of the Rainbow?

     
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  2. Fading Fast

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    This calls for the @LizzieMaine Signal:
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  3. LizzieMaine

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    I have a friend who's an accredited Oz expert -- he actually Wrote The Book on the film, and knew many of the Munchkins personally -- he says there's no truth to it.

    There *were* bits cut from the film before it went into general release, most notably a musical number with a "jitterbug" theme that they thought would end up dating the film, but nothing to cover an unexpected death.
     
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  4. PrettySquareGal

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    Thanks. I did see the part about the jitterbug dance being cut, but would you (or your friend) say that the clip of the "hanging munchkin" I posted above was doctored?
     
  5. LizzieMaine

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    It's actually one of the exotic birds put on the set for background atmosphere, probably a crane. The scene was actually shot *before* any of the Munchkin scenes, and none of them had even been on the set at that point.

    I've actually projected "Oz" several times from pristine 35mm film, and when you see that scene on the big screen it's pretty obviously one of the birds -- you can see the wings.
     
  6. PrettySquareGal

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    I also saw that part about it being shot before the Munchkin scenes, but it's not implausible that one of the actors was present prior to the filming, is it? I saw the footage which is clearly a bird, but in the clip I posted above it shows the same scene, one which clearly depicts the silhouette of a small body. I'm not arguing that the rumor is true, but I am skeptical of some of the reasons why it couldn't have occurred. Even so I'm doubtful it happened, but until someone can definitively say that video footage of the silhouette of the body was altered by a bored conspiracy theorist (which is probably what happened) I'm not totally sold.
     
  7. LizzieMaine

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    The video clip is not what I've seen when I've projected the original film, so there is that.

    The print I've run -- three times, so far -- was struck from the original, restored Technicolor negatives, and there's no trace of a splice in the negatives at that point. If a cut had been made there in the negatives, you would be able to see evidence of it on the print -- there wasn't one.
     
  8. PrettySquareGal

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    That is some hard evidence right there!
     
  9. Frunobulax

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    I'm interested in what entity accredits WoO experts!

    Seriously, if anybody really wanted to solve the"mystery," it would be easy. Check the death certificates in LA County for the time period of filming. Any little people? No? Mystery solved. Yes? Was it ruled suicide and were they in the cast?

    Or, you could just get a good print like Lizzie and look at it, apparently.
     
  10. LizzieMaine

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    The Oz community is hard core. I've hung out with them, and they are more rigorous than some academic disciplines.
     
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  11. Harp

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    Title and author please.:)
    Oz is my favorite flick. A munchkin couple owned a bar around 60th Cicero Avenue here, featuring small furniture for occasional little people visits.:)
     
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  12. Fanny

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    I'm assuming you're referring to the Wizard of Oz with The Dark Side of the Moon album dubbed over it. If so, I've seen it once. My house hosted and outdoor movie night last Summer where we projected it onto a sheet in the yard. It was interesting and the music does sync up pretty well to what's happening. When the film turns to color is right when "Money" starts playing which makes a pretty cool transition. I think I remember the song that played during the storm was very fitting as well.

    I've seen the clip with the supposed hanging munchkin before and have also seen clearer versions where is very undeniably a bird. I've heard rumors that the bird was edited in later to cover it up, but I always highly doubted that. It's nice to have a more solid answer rooted in evidence now to put that rumor to rest.
     
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  13. Tiki Tom

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    What? Nobody is going to comment? FF made me laugh so hard I almost snorted my egg nog.

    Holy smokes. I seriously have never heard that one before. I’ll have to look for it. The next time Cheech and Chong come over, we’ll watch it.
     
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  14. PrettySquareGal

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    No need. It's trippy as is.
     
  15. PrettySquareGal

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    Yes, that's the one to which I'm referring. Must have been something to watch it at your outdoor movie night!
     

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