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German & Austrian Hutmachers
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J. Hückel ´s Söhne, K.u.K. Hof-Hutfabrikanten, Neutitschen & Wien. Seal Mark pre WWI could be late 19th Century. Received this a couple days ago. In a way it's sad that it was removed from the document but it appears there is a collectors market for just the Seal Marks. (Click on Photo to Expand!)
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Pretty cool!J. Hückel ´s Söhne, K.u.K. Hof-Hutfabrikanten, Neutitschen & Wien. Seal Mark pre WWI could be late 19th Century. Received this a couple days ago. In a way it's sad that it was removed from the document but it appears there is a collectors market for just the Seal Marks. (Click on Photo to Expand!)
Gets my Seal of approval!
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Thanks! I really like these historical related items.Pretty cool!
Gets my Seal of approval!
M Hatman
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Ok, here we go.....1950's P&G Habig of Vienna, Austria. "Export Quality" made for Brooks Brothers of New York, USA. Original pricetag of $20 US behind the sweat....
I wish I could get a true picture of the rich dark heathered brown color......felt is REALLY nice!!!
Cheers,
M
I wish I could get a true picture of the rich dark heathered brown color......felt is REALLY nice!!!
Cheers,
M
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That is super cool, Steve! A real nice piece of history.J. Hückel ´s Söhne, K.u.K. Hof-Hutfabrikanten, Neutitschen & Wien. Seal Mark pre WWI could be late 19th Century. Received this a couple days ago. In a way it's sad that it was removed from the document but it appears there is a collectors market for just the Seal Marks. (Click on Photo to Expand!)
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Harv, Thanks!
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Thank you posting it here! It's probably from about the same time period as this "Camber" with "Ventilo" that was also made for the American market (rare find Dress Soft Felt) . The Trachten hats like yours were popular sporting hats in the 1950s in America. Did you notice the "Ventilo" felt vents at the front of the sweatband?
http://germanaustrianhats.invisionzone.com/index.php?/topic/5-p-c-habig-hutfabrik/#entry30
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Very interesting.....I've been a great fan of the late '50's '60's Stetson Gun Club sporting hat with a similar profile. I see this was made for Brooks Bros. in New York. But it looks like this might pre-date the Gun Club....What do you think? Was this sporting porkpie with the longer stiff hair a European Sporting Style that influenced the US market, or was it made for an already popular US sporting style of fedora market?
I noticed the "Ventilo" stamped in the sweatband...
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Very hip and cool by today's standards aswell....What are the dimensions of this one...crown height, brim, and height of bowl inside of crown seems very low...I love it being a deeper than normal porkpie....reminds me of the Stetson Gun Club...
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You also see this type of hat in Germany and Austria (also in Italy, France, others) in the later 1950s. It's has Trachten and Dress elements. It could be that US military stationed in Germany and tourist started bringing Trachten Hats back to America. The more traditional Alpine style Trachtens were also popular Sport Soft Felts. Austrian and German hat companies started making them specifically for the American market. Here is a more Alpine style P. & C. Habig Vienna that was also made for Brooks Brothers. You can see the felt vents that make up the "Ventilo" cooling system.
http://germanaustrianhats.invisionzone.com/index.php?/topic/5-p-c-habig-hutfabrik/page-3#entry304
P. & C. Habig Wien (Vienna) was considered a very high end hat company in Austria and Germany. For example Konrad Adenauer first Chancellor of West Germany wore a P. & C. Habig Wien Homburg. They were also high end exporters of Soft and Stiff Felt Dress styles (Austrian Velour Dress Hats were especially popular from around 1910 up to WWII) to America from late 19th Century up to WWII.
http://germanaustrianhats.invisionzone.com/index.php?/topic/230-gotisches-haus-gothic-house-hat-museum-bad-homburg-vor-der-höhe-germany/#entry1358
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That Alpine type stingy brim would become the Sinatra rat pack trilby style....
I've always thought that was a European influence....
I've always thought that was a European influence....
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The P. & C. Habig Vienna hat that M. Hatman posted is more Trachten so worn as a Sporting Hat or German / Austrian related events like Oktoberfest. You definitely see some of the Alpine Trachten form (see the P. & C. Habig Vienna Alpine Tracten hat I posted) in later American Stingy Brim Dress Soft Felts. This was also the cause in Europe. Actually all Soft Felt Hat styles have some connection to Europe.
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Yes indeed, it has the "Ventilo" vents.....will try to post a picture showing them and also give the dimensions.........
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This is all such great historical information! Love this kind of exchange here on the lounge. Now I want a hat like this!
M Hatman
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Yes...........this sort of style became quite popular for country/casual hats over here (US). I have a real nice Stetson Gun club from the early 60's definitely influenced by these hats. The Stetson is even a heathered felt (grey). Pictures can be seen under the Stetson Gun Club forum.....
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Thanks! I actually have an antique P. & C. Habig Vienna (made for B. Altman & Co. Fifth Avenue) Stiff Felt. P. & C. Habig Wien was also known in America for their light weight Stiff Felts and started exporting them to America in the late 19th Century.
http://www.thefedoralounge.com/threads/what-hat-are-you-wearing-today.19520/page-3926#post-1933934
http://germanaustrianhats.invisionzone.com/index.php?/topic/5-p-c-habig-hutfabrik/page-4#entry699
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There were also Trachten trends in America prior to WWII. Josh had a 1930s Stetson Alpine style hat that he posted photos of here (see below). The trend started back again in the 1950s.
http://www.thefedoralounge.com/thre...d-quality-tyrolean-alpine-hat-sz-6-7-8.77283/
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I guess we all remember this Tyrolean Alpine (Am I correct?) prior to WWII....
Chico Marx....
Chico Marx....
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Thanks! I forgot to check back to your post.
My pleasure. Haven't had the chance to look much further yet, but here are some more pics:
Top hat for display purposes (at the Wien Museum):
http://www.europeanafashion.eu/reco...745744a78f1f98c8f976e8acbbf2714a5549613a4d8ee
Green velour hat, dated ca 1930(?) (also at the Wien museum):
http://www.europeana.eu/portal/en/record/2048206/M_10445.html
Black hat with beautiful hat box from 1955 (Wien Museum)
http://www.europeana.eu/portal/en/record/2048206/M_5019_2.html?q=Hut+schick
And a grey one from 1950:
http://www.europeana.eu/portal/en/record/2048206/M_5018_2.html?q=Hut+schick
The Wien Museum has many more of their hats hiding in their vaults, check out the Europeana Collections site for more pictures and info - a lot of other nice hats to be found there too.