Tiller
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My dear Pompidou.
For the record if your company policy outright states that an employee has to wear say a uniform, I don't believe you have a right to wear a suit simply because it's your personal style choice, but then again I believe that individuals have certain standards to meet at times and the right to wear what you want whenever you want isn't an absolute.
Follow up, more along the line of my post. If one is raised in a family where you are expected to wear a suit to a funeral if you are a man, and you choose to instead wear casual wear when your Grandfather dies, which majority are you fighting for? Your family and the one you are suppose to be honoring? Or are you standing up for the culture at a large in a great defense of the confomrity of the modern age? Are you therefor arguing that local custom (and even family traditions) should always be trumped by national fashion trends?
If your asking if I think someone should be thrown in jail for wearing casual wear to a wedding, I'd obviously say no. I also don't see a suit as being to formal wear, and I know their are plenty of men who wear it as everyday wear, either because of their occupation or by choice. Luckily for them a suit is more versatile piece of clothing then jeans and a t-shirt.
Now these men aren't poor. Not only could they afford a suit, they could afford multiple suits, or tuxs, and could easily rent a suit/tux if inclined to, and they could easily afford to buy a pair of slacks and a collared shirt if they wanted to. My Grandmother never asked them to even wear a suit, she asked them to wear slacks and a collared shirt. They refused, and even showed up at her funeral wearing the very style of dress that had upset her to begin with. Sorry, but your line about their "rights" because they dress like the majority is pure grade A bunk. They had an expectation to fulfill, and failed considerably. So save me the redneck line of "they got the right", their are expectations in this world that over rides personal taste.
In the same line of thought with regards to sheeplady, if I was invited to a wedding and was asked outright to wear nothing more then a pair of jeans and a t-shirt, I would. Why? Because it would be what is expected of me.
If people have a right to dress as they please whenever they want, why are you so hateful towards those poor souls who choose to reject all conformity and walk around nude? Aren't their rights being violated when we expect them the put on a pair of pants, shoes, and a shirt just to shop in a grocery store? Why are you so arrogant to believe that you have a right to expect them to dress?
Then why do you expect nudist to dress? Why do you think that employers have a right to tell their employees how they are going to dress well on the clock? Why do you apply any standard when your entire being screams "freedom to dress as one pleases no matter the situation"? Or is it possible that you do have some standards, that their are situations in this world where even you expect people to follow an expectation, even when they don't want to?
Ok when is casual dictated in the same way that formal is? What is the casual equivalent of a funeral?
If your reading the same threads I am about that section, there isn't a company policy that states the one must wear casual clothing, but their is an open policy and certain people are choosing to wear suits, because it is what they want. For someone who get's on their soapbox when anyone dares try to claim that certain events should have a standard dress code, I'd figure that was right up your alley.
For the record if your company policy outright states that an employee has to wear say a uniform, I don't believe you have a right to wear a suit simply because it's your personal style choice, but then again I believe that individuals have certain standards to meet at times and the right to wear what you want whenever you want isn't an absolute.
Around here the rules state no shoes, no shirt, no service. Shouldn't you be outraged that nudist aren't being represented for their personal choice?
You must be joking. Are you suggesting that a man who shows up to a family picnic in say a cardigan sweatshirt over a tie and collared shirt, are showing the same disrespect as the same man showing up to his Grandfather's funeral wearing old sneakers, jeans, and a t-shirt? You don't see the difference between the idea that one is expected to dress in their best to honor the dead, and someone who chooses to wear a style that is considered more formal/"fancy" to a family gathering?
Fine, if that is your absolute, let's take your thought process to an extreme. Should we look down at abolitionist who existed in 1789 even though they were at the time in the minority? If not why?
Follow up, more along the line of my post. If one is raised in a family where you are expected to wear a suit to a funeral if you are a man, and you choose to instead wear casual wear when your Grandfather dies, which majority are you fighting for? Your family and the one you are suppose to be honoring? Or are you standing up for the culture at a large in a great defense of the confomrity of the modern age? Are you therefor arguing that local custom (and even family traditions) should always be trumped by national fashion trends?
No, you do. I don't. I don't think you look good wearing a silk top hat with ripped jeans and a dirty shirt, I don't think it's a right to show up to a funeral wearing something that you would wear at the gym, and I don't think it's you have a right to walk around naked in the streets if you choose to.
If your asking if I think someone should be thrown in jail for wearing casual wear to a wedding, I'd obviously say no. I also don't see a suit as being to formal wear, and I know their are plenty of men who wear it as everyday wear, either because of their occupation or by choice. Luckily for them a suit is more versatile piece of clothing then jeans and a t-shirt.
I've been to five funerals so far this year, many of my elderly friends and family members have passed this year. Three of the funerals were relatives of mine. One was a great uncle, the second was an elderly cousin, and the other one was my Grandmother. Their are two cousins of mine who's "redneck pride" dictates that they shouldn't wear suits, or even a collared shirt because that is "selling out". Now they have upset the family, by not just showing up to just one funeral, but to every single one we have had wearing old jeans, sneakers, and a t-shirt (I'll give them credit for the fact that they took off their ball caps when they were in church). My Grandmother spoke to them about how they where being disrespectful to our family, and to the other mourners and they basically laughed at her. When she died not long afterwards, they added insult to injury by showing up in the same old get up.
Now these men aren't poor. Not only could they afford a suit, they could afford multiple suits, or tuxs, and could easily rent a suit/tux if inclined to, and they could easily afford to buy a pair of slacks and a collared shirt if they wanted to. My Grandmother never asked them to even wear a suit, she asked them to wear slacks and a collared shirt. They refused, and even showed up at her funeral wearing the very style of dress that had upset her to begin with. Sorry, but your line about their "rights" because they dress like the majority is pure grade A bunk. They had an expectation to fulfill, and failed considerably. So save me the redneck line of "they got the right", their are expectations in this world that over rides personal taste.
In the same line of thought with regards to sheeplady, if I was invited to a wedding and was asked outright to wear nothing more then a pair of jeans and a t-shirt, I would. Why? Because it would be what is expected of me.
If people have a right to dress as they please whenever they want, why are you so hateful towards those poor souls who choose to reject all conformity and walk around nude? Aren't their rights being violated when we expect them the put on a pair of pants, shoes, and a shirt just to shop in a grocery store? Why are you so arrogant to believe that you have a right to expect them to dress?
Then why do you expect nudist to dress? Why do you think that employers have a right to tell their employees how they are going to dress well on the clock? Why do you apply any standard when your entire being screams "freedom to dress as one pleases no matter the situation"? Or is it possible that you do have some standards, that their are situations in this world where even you expect people to follow an expectation, even when they don't want to?
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