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Alexander Leathers Simmons and Aero Aeromarine Discussion

schitzo

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Schitzo, I for one would like to hear about your trip to Aero.. You failed to let us know you we're making the trip. Was the travel the hassle you suspected it might be?

Sorry dear that's true, I did. And you are right. Again. Do you think there is a way we can work past this? lol


Let me try and make amends..

Once I was driving through the Scottish Borders that part of the drive was great. It was driving through the North of England that broke my heart. All together including a couple of short breaks it was about 7 hours each way. I can't say it wasn't too bad, cos it was! But in the final analysis it was definitely worth it.

As you may remember I have had my eye on a Pioneer, believing it to be roomier than a 30s halfbelt but trimmer than a 50s HB. Well, it turns out it's basically an altered version of the 30s HB - in Ken's own words it's 20s/30s influenced. As it seems are the Speedway, Sunburst and Dustbowl. Sure these are some very pretty designs but fit wise they're 30s HB esque, with those high cut armholes that I don't get on with. That type of fit is not what I'm looking for this time, so that ruled out the Pioneer. That was the bad news.

The good news is there is a jacket that fits between a 30s HB and a 50s HB and it's killer. I'm talking about the Original Hercules. There's only one been made and fortunately for me it's a 38! The fit was exquisite. Comfortable without any excess material and no high armholes. I'd compare it to trying on a well fitted jacket in a dept store, though obviously once you look down at what you're actually wearing the comparisons end right there. This one now has to be sent away for 'grading' which is the process of working out that pattern for the other sizes. Ken showed me the one it was made from - his original - and this one he's come up with is better cos the original has errors on it. Wonkey seams and dodgy stitching, which he told me was common back in those days as these were of course ordered to be worn as workwear. Not for poncing around in like us lot, rather for doing actual physical manly labour in. Everything about that one is class and it's the one he is most proud of. Kinda explains the price tag I suppose, which btw also reflects the difficulty involved in producing one with any degree of precision; specifically we are talking about the back here. When I tried it on inevitably the sleeves were too short but to my surprise the body was pretty good. Ken thought it was perfect on me (though he is advising me to wear my jeans higher) and I thought it needed an extra half an inch. Fyi the front overhangs the back a little bit like the 30s halfbelt does but the dip is much less pronounced, more rounded. The result is, as I've said already, a jacket that fits superbly well. Needless to say this one is now down for my first order. Nearly forgot, it has one of those expensive hookless zippers, which I struggled with. If you know what to do they're not rocket science - but I didn't! You have to carefully make sure it's properly lined up before you pull

So, after my Pioneer and Speedway hopes were shattered I flat out asked Ken what he thought might be a good style for me. He suggested I try on a Cropduster. Whenever I've seen that one on the website or anywhere else I've always flicked right past it. I don't like the pockets or the elasticated waist. But you know what? I put it on and I fell in love. The elasticated sides lend the fit a wonderful elegance - it just fits so well and looks so right. Those pockets that I had previously thought of as unsightly I realised are actually very practical and in my revised opinion, I would say keep the thing from looking too poncey i.e. they balance it by adding a practical (masculine if you will) element that is needed. I really like that design and it was such an awesome fit - so I put that one down for my second order.

All in all, I was there for about 4 hours. I met all the family who were good hosts and all the workers except for Julie Leitch who was on a, by all accounts well deserved, break at that time.
 
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Cooperson

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Great report schitzo, thanks for posting. Really glad you found the jacket patterns you like, pics are great but you can't beat trying stuff on to see if they suit your own frame. Hope they turn out well for you.

So what hides are you going with?
 

Graemsay

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I was at an Iron Heart event in Gosport a few weeks back, and there was a rack that contained both a mixture of Aero and Alexander jackets. If the labels were removed then it would be impossible to tell them apart.

(Incidentally, there was an enormous size 52 Aero flying jacket there, similar to the ANJ-4. Since some forum members are keen on the bigger models...)

I agree with the sentiments that Schizo posted, namely both companies are making good stuff, and should be judged on that. If nothing else, Aero have upped their game in response to competition from Alexander, and their new range looks fantastic.

I'm looking forward to seeing Schizo's new jacket(s).

Oh, and I quite like the donkey jacket...
 

schitzo

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Great report schitzo, thanks for posting. Really glad you found the jacket patterns you like, pics are great but you can't beat trying stuff on to see if they suit your own frame. Hope they turn out well for you.

So what hides are you going with?

Subject to change, it's black vintage FQHH for the Herc and Cordovan FQHH for the Cropduster. The spanner in the works is that I also really would like another 50s HB! That one'd be an inch shorter than the one I have now, which btw I wore for the whole trip including what must have been upwards of 15 hours spent driving. When I finally did get home the thing was so soft and malleable, and as it is now I really don't see how it can get any softer
 
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Sloan1874

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Honestly, in the battered brown, it's great. The 'crackling' on the patina - you can kind of see it in the pics - is something a bit different from what's been on offer.
 

Dr H

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I still have the Hobbit reference in my head :D

And look over the images posted ...do you ever see any images of the wearer's feet... :-S

Tricky choice, I like this pattern too - at the price I'm struggling to justify the purchase in view of the limited wear (for me here in the SE of England).
On the other hand, I've just come across a modern repro of the British Wartime leather jerkin at under £100 that's giving me pause for thought.
The jerkin was designed as a sleeveless over garment; this Shackleton is suggested as both a 'jerkin' and a waistcoat/vest, although the hide would need to be reasonably light to facilitate the latter in milder climes.
 

Mark Ricketts

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The Shackleton is not a jerkin at all. It may be a good wiastcoat, but is too fitted and offers no back or shoulder protection like a proper jerkin. See Silvermans for a good WWII pocketless jerkin or Moss Leather for one with pockets, neither have collars. However, both of these manufacturers offer jerkins with collars, even the thought makes me cringe.
 

Plumbline

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I'm still thinking Hobbit .....

and at my height that's a SERIOUS concern :)

I have a 1944 leather jerkin ... mostly medium brown with some subtle green field overdye ..... which is worn over my 1943 Denison Smock ( both were a gift from Colonel Ruidh Rutherford )..... but only when shooting :)
 
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Dr H

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The Shackleton is not a jerkin at all. It may be a good wiastcoat, but is too fitted and offers no back or shoulder protection like a proper jerkin. See Silvermans for a good WWII pocketless jerkin or Moss Leather for one with pockets, neither have collars. However, both of these manufacturers offer jerkins with collars, even the thought makes me cringe.

That's the same one (Silvermans), but I'm aghast 'Please note: due to an error at the factory, this leather jerkin has been manufactured with the buttons on the opposite side. This does not affect the quality of the jerkin in anyway.'

It's a girl's jerkin... :-O
 

Edward

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I don't think Blair wore it when he was PM. The footage I saw was earlier when he was party leader. It was definitely his own jacket.

The AL one is an absolute bargain price-wise compared to some. Check this Burberry out !

http://shopping.aol.com/burberry-wool-felt-donkey-jacket/s398925776

I think our Army Navy surplus has a few left, as perviously mentioned these have been superseded by HiVis clothing now. It's a good thing on the railway, trains are silent killers if you are looking the wrong way, better to be seen than. Guess you could say better to be seen than to look dead cool! Or should that be to look cool, dead!

Well, there is that!

Seriously work wear will always creep in to mainstream fashion somewhere along the line. Look at Doctor Marten boots, originally orthapedic footwear, now you can buy them with flower print! 'Combat' trousers are another example you can get them in any colour you want and for bikers too.
I may even have an old 1980s Dokey at the back of the garage, may have had a nest of mice in it sometime but free to anyone if they want it(Hi vis version).
J

Fascinating process, isn't it? I know I adore the thirties and forties workwear look... and military stuff.... really, it's a natural evolution from my middle teen days dressing out of the army surplus shop by choice. Still, I suppose, all told, I just don't get the idea of the donkey jacket being a luxury item, but possibly that's because I just hit a generation where it wasn't fashionable, but I can still remember it being a basic uniform for many occupations? I'm sure people old dough to remember a lot of the stuff I love regard it as odd I'd want to pay what they would regard as big money for it too...

As you may remember I have had my eye on a Pioneer, believing it to be roomier than a 30s halfbelt but trimmer than a 50s HB. Well, it turns out it's basically an altered version of the 30s HB - in Ken's own words it's 20s/30s influenced. As it seems are the Speedway, Sunburst and Dustbowl. Sure these are some very pretty designs but fit wise they're 30s HB esque, with those high cut armholes that I don't get on with. That type of fit is not what I'm looking for this time, so that ruled out the Pioneer. That was the bad news.

Aside from the high-cut armholes, what else was very similar to the Thirties Halfbelt about it? Curious because it's one I'm really looking at as a next jacket (likely in about a year's time). Is it as neat on the waist as the Thirties? I had the impression it was a little more generous there...

The good news is there is a jacket that fits between a 30s HB and a 50s HB and it's killer. I'm talking about the Original Hercules. There's only one been made and fortunately for me it's a 38! The fit was exquisite. Comfortable without any excess material and no high armholes. I'd compare it to trying on a well fitted jacket in a dept store, though obviously once you look down at what you're actually wearing the comparisons end right there. This one now has to be sent away for 'grading' which is the process of working out that pattern for the other sizes. Ken showed me the one it was made from - his original - and this one he's come up with is better cos the original has errors on it. Wonkey seams and dodgy stitching, which he told me was common back in those days as these were of course ordered to be worn as workwear. Not for poncing around in like us lot, rather for doing actual physical manly labour in. Everything about that one is class and it's the one he is most proud of. Kinda explains the price tag I suppose, which btw also reflects the difficulty involved in producing one with any degree of precision; specifically we are talking about the back here. When I tried it on inevitably the sleeves were too short but to my surprise the body was pretty good. Ken thought it was perfect on me (though he is advising me to wear my jeans higher) and I thought it needed an extra half an inch. Fyi the front overhangs the back a little bit like the 30s halfbelt does but the dip is much less pronounced, more rounded. The result is, as I've said already, a jacket that fits superbly well. Needless to say this one is now down for my first order. Nearly forgot, it has one of those expensive hookless zippers, which I struggled with. If you know what to do they're not rocket science - but I didn't! You have to carefully make sure it's properly lined up before you pull

So, after my Pioneer and Speedway hopes were shattered I flat out asked Ken what he thought might be a good style for me. He suggested I try on a Cropduster. Whenever I've seen that one on the website or anywhere else I've always flicked right past it. I don't like the pockets or the elasticated waist. But you know what? I put it on and I fell in love. The elasticated sides lend the fit a wonderful elegance - it just fits so well and looks so right. Those pockets that I had previously thought of as unsightly I realised are actually very practical and in my revised opinion, I would say keep the thing from looking too poncey i.e. they balance it by adding a practical (masculine if you will) element that is needed. I really like that design and it was such an awesome fit - so I put that one down for my second order.

All in all, I was there for about 4 hours. I met all the family who were good hosts and all the workers except for Julie Leitch who was on a, by all accounts well deserved, break at that time.

Sounds like a good visit! I am seriously considering a holiday up that way next year with a view to building in a trip to pick a new Aero...

Tricky choice, I like this pattern too - at the price I'm struggling to justify the purchase in view of the limited wear (for me here in the SE of England).
On the other hand, I've just come across a modern repro of the British Wartime leather jerkin at under £100 that's giving me pause for thought.
The jerkin was designed as a sleeveless over garment; this Shackleton is suggested as both a 'jerkin' and a waistcoat/vest, although the hide would need to be reasonably light to facilitate the latter in milder climes.

I'd be seriously tempted by the Shackleton, sized as a waistcoat, if I could get one cut with more of a V neck.... and that's something I really did not expect!
 

Boyo

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Ken rocks the shackleton!! With his ever present roll neck sweater under and the newsboy cap.. But on me I'm not so sure. I would like to see a few being worn about and see how other people will wear them before I jumped in..I have seen plenty of people on these pages that could pull it off effortlessly though.
 
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Ken rocks the shackleton!! With his ever present roll neck sweater under and the newsboy cap.. But on me I'm not so sure. I would like to see a few being worn about and see how other people will wear them before I jumped in..I have seen plenty of people on these pages that could pull it off effortlessly though.
That's my worry too. Great on paper. Great on Ken. Me, not so sure...
 

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