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Rumors and Personal Debunking Regarding the 2022 Revival of High Large Leathers

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I. Abstract:
In this article, you will witness my personal debunking of promotional claims and rumors surrounding High Large Leathers. The sample comes from my own purchase of the brand-new Oklahoma City WW2—One Piece Sleeve style, released for the 2024 Summer SS season.

II. Motivation:
Beyond purchasing and wearing leather jackets, I find the leatherworking techniques and pattern-cutting of these garments far more fascinating—a research journey that excites me immensely. Recently, I noticed a particularly eye-catching brand: High Large Leathers. This brand shares the same founder as the renowned Fine Creek Leathers—Yoshikatsu Yamazaki. It served as the precursor to FCL and was revived by Yoshikatsu Yamazaki in 2022, with HLL re-registered under his name. Rumors abound that he possesses the world's finest horsehide leather, and that every HLL piece uses 2.3mm-thick horsehide—such claims set my heart racing. Thus, I began scouring both Chinese and English-language internet sources for all available information on the HLL brand, eventually purchasing a piece myself as a Christmas gift to verify these claims. Regrettably, much high-quality content on the Chinese internet remains inaccessible to the English-speaking world, while the vast majority of Chinese users can access English-language content. This disparity motivated me to write this article, aiming to bridge the information gap and foster exchange among leather enthusiasts.

III. Summary of Rumors Regarding HIGH LARGE LEATHERS
(1) HLL Uses 2.3mm Leather
According to HLL's official Instagram and promotional materials from their Japanese and Chinese distributors, they state that classic denim styles like the 506, 101, and Type 1 use 2.3mm horsehide leather. This leather thickness specification surpasses Fine Creek Leathers' most iconic product—their exclusive 1.8mm leather—and even exceeds the 2.0mm thickness of the leather used in FCL's most renowned item, the Gilmour.

(2) HLL Uses SHINKI Horsehide Leather
This claim originates from Fedora Lounge, which asserts that since FCL uses SHINKI horsehide leather, HLL must also utilize Shin-ki horsehide leather.

(3) HLL employs mud-dyeing techniques
Some Chinese agents state that all black denim leather jackets in HLL's relaunched collection utilize mud-dyeing, achieving a rich charcoal black hue.

(4) HLL jackets run small and buttons are difficult to fasten
This information comes from HLL's UK distributor, who advises selecting one size larger than usual due to consistently smaller sizing. The button fastening issue stems from user discussions noting that buttons of this thickness are nearly impossible to secure.

(5) HLL utilizes the world's finest exclusive horsehide leather
This information originates from a Chinese student studying in Japan. After over five years of in-depth research into Japan's tanning industry and leather jacket brands, he has personally handled and worn over a hundred leather jackets while visiting major Japanese tanneries. He is currently replicating the A2 leather jacket, receiving consistent praise from Chinese leather enthusiasts and collectors. I consider him highly credible in both theory and practice. You can find him online by searching for “东池居士” or “元年皮衣不完全研究” Below, I'll excerpt his analysis. He asserts that the finest horse leather for garments must meet four criteria:
First, it must possess connective tissue and bone structure capable of forming beautiful shapes. Here, I'll clarify: the mention of connective tissue and bones is metaphorical. By connective tissue, I personally interpret him as meaning the horsehide must be sufficiently resilient and possess rich malleability to absorb more oils, thereby achieving the desired effect envisioned by the craftsman. The reference to bones signifies that the leather jacket, like the bones within a body, should provide structural support. Relying on the leather's inherent texture, it should naturally form a crisp, structured silhouette. The combination of these two elements is key to achieving the leather jacket's substantial, fleshy feel.
Second, it must possess the right softness and weight. He believes top-tier leather must prioritize wearability.
Third, it must possess rich grain patterns.
Fourth, it must develop beautiful fading and patina. He notes that the 2.3mm horsehide leather from High Large Leathers (relaunched in 2022) and FCL's 1.8mm to 2.0mm leather meet all four criteria.

IV. Personal Experience and Verification of Claims
(1) HLL Definitely Does Not Meet the 2.3mm Standard
It must be stated that while the thickness of my HLL jacket is satisfactory, it falls far short of 2.3mm. It is thinner than my Schott and Vanson jackets, which are advertised as 1.5mm thick. However, Schott and Vanson's cutting techniques and material usage often result in their leather appearing thicker than advertised. Therefore, I estimate the average thickness of the entire HLL jacket falls between 1.5mm and 1.7mm. While a very small portion of the leather might indeed reach 2.0mm, I am certain it absolutely does not meet the 2.3mm claim. This is quite infuriating, as it is HLL's primary marketing selling point. I inquired with the distributor, who stated that HLL and FCL are too cunning. They only claim to use 2.3mm leather without specifying where it's applied or disclosing the overall average thickness. In short, it absolutely does not reach 2.3mm.

(2) HLL did not use SHINKI horsehide leather
First, based on my hands-on feel, the leather on my jacket clearly lacks SHINKI's characteristic dry texture. Second, according to the field investigation report from the same source (东池居士) mentioned earlier, he located FCL's leather supplier. All leather over 1.8mm thick originates from the Himeji Leather Factory. According to his discussions with the factory, FCL has secured a long-term exclusive agreement for these substantial hides. There are no plans to exhibit these leathers externally, making them highly unlikely for other brands to source in the coming years. Only after persistent requests did the factory agree to sell him 1.3mm horse leather.

(3) HLL does not employ mud dyeing on black leather
This is entirely a misunderstanding by some Chinese distributors. Official promotional materials clearly state “Analine finish,” indicating water-based dyeing without coating. Only items labeled “INDIGO-MUD DYE” utilize mud dyeing, typically priced above ¥400,000. My hands-on inspection also confirms this as standard Analine processing.

(4) HLL leather jackets run small, and buttons are difficult to fasten
According to HLL's official sizing data, the jackets run small—at least one size larger than the stated measurements. Even when Japanese agents list shoulder widths up to 52cm, I personally estimate the shoulder width to be around 48.5cm. The buttons aren't as hard to fasten as imagined; with the right technique—pushing the button upward—they snap into place easily.

(5) Personally, I consider this the finest leather I've ever encountered.
Initially, I was furious—this jacket clearly wasn't 2.3mm thick, and I intended to return it as a clear case of false advertising. Yet I was swiftly captivated by the leather's texture. I've never touched or felt such soft, supple, and substantial horsehide leather. It bears no resemblance to traditional thick horsehide, which often digs into my arms until they're red and sore.
So, I'll describe my experience based on those four criteria.
First, the jacket's thickness truly meets the requirements for shaping, and the garment itself provides excellent structure.
Second, this is the softest horsehide I've ever touched. Without a doubt, it ranks first in comfort among all the horsehide leather jackets I've worn.
Third, the signature FCL horsehide grain pattern—with its distinct growth lines and pebbled texture—is barely visible now. Only the front placket and sleeves retain noticeable traces. The overall aesthetic feels more contemporary, even shedding the brand's signature yin-yang design elements. It's a shame, as that was FCL's most iconic visual signature. The entire jacket has a sleek, glossy finish, eliminating any need to explain why half your jacket is made from belly leather.
Fourth, since mine is brand new, the “patina” isn't yet visible.
Worth noting, this jacket boasts the most stunning sheen I've ever seen—comparable to Italian Maryam leather—and carries a delightful scent: distinctly vegetable-tanned without being overpowering.

V. Afterword:
This is a leather jacket where minor flaws don't overshadow its brilliance. I deeply admire FCL and HLL's tanning expertise—such leather craftsmanship makes HLL irreplaceable. As a Chinese consumer, I've lost all interest in ordinary leather jackets made in Japan, the US, UK, or Greece. In China, I can easily spend less than 50% of the price for these renowned brands yet achieve over 80% of their wearability and aesthetic appeal. I also urge fellow enthusiasts to explore well-regarded Chinese-made leather jackets. You can purchase them with the mindset of buying a sweatshirt, yet I assure you the quality surpasses the entry-level and mid-tier offerings from those famous brands. The only area lacking is meticulous pattern design, which requires long-term aesthetic cultivation and manufacturing expertise to refine. That concludes my sharing. Wishing everyone a Merry Christmas, and I welcome your thoughts and discussions.
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Thank you for your thorough review. It's a nice looking jacket, how does it fit? Could you share any fit pics?

I'm intrigued by your persuit of the finest (best?) exclusive horsehide. You name traits like thickness, softness, grain, weight, temper, aging / patina potential.

I think there is no such thing as 'the best' when it comes to leather quality. Best depends on personal preference and use case.

Personal preference is self explanatory, person A likes grainy leather, person B likes smooth leather. Some people like fast aging leathers, others hate them.

'Best' also depends on the use case.

-If someone needs a jacket to be weather / rain proof, then your jacket is useless because it's vegetable tanned.

-If someone needs a jacket for protection on a motorcycle then thicker leathers are preferred.

-70s style jackets are worn very fitted. Thick and stiff leathers are no good for those styles.

- A1 or A2 style military jackets have poor patterns. To compensate for the poor pattern you need thin and supple leather.

According to HLL's official sizing data, the jackets run small—at least one size larger than the stated measurements. Even when Japanese agents list shoulder widths up to 52cm, I personally estimate the shoulder width to be around 48.5cm.
Running small or big doesn't mean deviation from the stated measurements, it means that it deviates from the size tag, e.g. size 42 having a 40" ptp.

I also urge fellow enthusiasts to explore well-regarded Chinese-made leather jackets. You can purchase them with the mindset of buying a sweatshirt, yet I assure you the quality surpasses the entry-level and mid-tier offerings from those famous brands.
Can you name a few or share some pics? What is it that makes these Chinese made jackets so good?

The only area lacking is meticulous pattern design, which requires long-term aesthetic cultivation and manufacturing expertise to refine.

For me, pattern design is more important than having 'the best' leather. You can have 2mm thick Shinki hh with a beautiful sheen and lots of aging potential but if the pattern is weak, the jacket is useless to me.
 

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"I've lost all interest in ordinary leather jackets made in Japan, the US, UK, or Greece."

The four aforementioned nations have, I believe, lowered their flags to half-mast in recognition of this loss. Rumours of men and women dressed in rags, wailing and pulling out their hair as we speak, struggling to stem the flow of bitter tears.
 

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"I've lost all interest in ordinary leather jackets made in Japan, the US, UK, or Greece."

The four aforementioned nations have, I believe, lowered their flags to half-mast in recognition of this loss. Rumours of men and women dressed in rags, wailing and pulling out their hair as we speak, struggling to stem the flow of bitter tears.
Hahaha, you're so funny. What I mean is, I'm no longer interested in jackets that have no highlights just because they're produced by well-known brands. My main point is that I hope everyone will pay more attention to the star products of those brands, rather than assuming everything is good simply because it's made by a particular brand.
 

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"I've lost all interest in ordinary leather jackets made in Japan, the US, UK, or Greece."

The four aforementioned nations have, I believe, lowered their flags to half-mast in recognition of this loss. Rumours of men and women dressed in rags, wailing and pulling out their hair as we speak, struggling to stem the flow of bitter tears.
Thank you for your thorough review. It's a nice looking jacket, how does it fit? Could you share any fit pics?

I'm intrigued by your persuit of the finest (best?) exclusive horsehide. You name traits like thickness, softness, grain, weight, temper, aging / patina potential.

I think there is no such thing as 'the best' when it comes to leather quality. Best depends on personal preference and use case.

Personal preference is self explanatory, person A likes grainy leather, person B likes smooth leather. Some people like fast aging leathers, others hate them.

'Best' also depends on the use case.

-If someone needs a jacket to be weather / rain proof, then your jacket is useless because it's vegetable tanned.

-If someone needs a jacket for protection on a motorcycle then thicker leathers are preferred.

-70s style jackets are worn very fitted. Thick and stiff leathers are no good for those styles.

- A1 or A2 style military jackets have poor patterns. To compensate for the poor pattern you need thin and supple leather.


Running small or big doesn't mean deviation from the stated measurements, it means that it deviates from the size tag, e.g. size 42 having a 40" ptp.


Can you name a few or share some pics? What is it that makes these Chinese made jackets so good?



For me, pattern design is more important than having 'the best' leather. You can have 2mm thick Shinki hh with a beautiful sheen and lots of aging potential but if the pattern is weak, the jacket is useless to me.
1. Your viewpoint is absolutely correct—there is no universally acknowledged best leather in this world, but I tend to offer clear opinions. What I mean is, among the leather jackets I’ve handled, the leather quality of this HLL jacket is, in my personal opinion, the best.
2. The size fits well because I anticipated this brand runs small, so I deliberately bought a size 44. I am 185 cm tall, weigh 88 kg, and have a shoulder width of 48 cm. My wearing experience is that it feels slightly loose with just a thin layer underneath, but there’s definitely room to add a hoodie inside.
3. The cut leans toward a sharp, tailored fit, unlike the more boxy American-style jackets like Vanson that I’ve worn recently. Wearing this one on the street doesn’t draw much attention, whereas when I wear Vanson, half the people would give me a second glance because I look overly bulky. As for photos, I might post some here if I manage a good outfit pairing, but right now I can’t find a full-length mirror to properly showcase the jacket.
4. As for Chinese brands you mentioned, I’ll provide some references—just as I said before, focus on the product, not the brand.
Real Simons: Products under $300 are well worth trying. In the entry-level segment, they’re always competitive. For example, Simon claims their Schott-inspired jackets aren’t afraid of direct comparisons with the originals. However, products priced much lower or above $300 don’t enjoy as high a praise rate.
Guofo: Considered the pinnacle of custom leather jackets among Chinese enthusiasts, both in quality and price—though it’s still more affordable than top international brands. If the founder crafts yours, the workmanship is like art. However, some Chinese buyers report noticeable flaws in pieces made by others.
Colorplus: Excels in leather selection. The founder sources hides from Shinki, Maryam, Horween, etc., and their in-house-developed No. 7 and No. 9 horsehide are also competitive. However, the brand’s patterns are criticized for lacking detail, and some have complained about the odor of the No. 7 horsehide.
经时皮衣: The founder knows every detail of jacket-making and crafts them personally, but output is limited. Their thick, shrunk-grain horsehide jackets are hugely popular among Chinese leather enthusiasts. For under $600, you can customize the grain pattern of every part.
All four brands, to my knowledge, have exported overseas or done OEM work for foreign labels, offering full value for their quality.
5. Regarding your comment on patterns, you’re also right—pattern design is undeniably the top priority. Even the finest leather won’t look good if it’s just cut like a sack. But everyone’s body is different, making pattern discussions tricky. Fortunately, many excellent designs exist for reference, and choosing a widely praised one is never wrong.
 

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Hahaha, you're so funny. What I mean is, I'm no longer interested in jackets that have no highlights just because they're produced by well-known brands. My main point is that I hope everyone will pay more attention to the star products of those brands, rather than assuming everything is good simply because it's made by a particular brand.
I am funny, actually.

What does this mean: '... jackets that have no highlights just because they're produced by well-known brands'? This makes no real sense. The well-known makers are well-known because in a niche market their jackets have to be outstanding in a number of different areas to be saleable to the limited number of people that functional leather jackets appeal to.

Out of interest, can you see why people might feel that your post is AI-generated?
 

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I am funny, actually.

What does this mean: '... jackets that have no highlights just because they're produced by well-known brands'? This makes no real sense. The well-known makers are well-known because in a niche market their jackets have to be outstanding in a number of different areas to be saleable to the limited number of people that functional leather jackets appeal to.

Out of interest, can you see why people might feel that your post is AI-generated?
My perspective is that not every product from a brand is necessarily good. If any brand were to produce all outstanding products, it would contradict my experience. Therefore, the focus should be on the noteworthy products from each brand, rather than the brand itself. As for why some people think I'm an AI, I'm not surprised at all. First and foremost, I'm a native Chinese who has only traveled abroad and never studied or lived overseas. While reading English internet content poses almost no barrier for me, writing such lengthy texts requires careful consideration of sentence structure and grammatical accuracy. So, after drafting, I use AI to refine my phrasing, which makes the style resemble AI-generated content. Now, let me prove I'm not an AI: Today's weather is like frying a steak without making Margaret Thatcher happy, and running running from Atlantis. Such illogical, nonsensical sentences are probably beyond an AI's capabilities, hahahaha.
 

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AI could have generated a draft, then you edited it to add some human touch. Still mostly AI.
Every sentence in this article comes from my independent research and creation. AI merely adjusted my sentence structures and grammar. I hope non-native English speakers can get some extra tolerance, hahaha. In fact, it was only after consulting AI and discovering the lack of online resources that I decided to write this article. The majority of the information comes from another buyer's purchase and experience sharing here.
 

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I Googled the above mentioned Chinese brands and from what I found it looks like they're all making copies of designs from other (western) makers. A Schott perfecto copy, a FW Mulholland copy etc.

I'd be more interested in genuine Chinese design, like jackets from MotivMfg.
 

Leather and Metal

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I Googled the above mentioned Chinese brands and from what I found it looks like they're all making copies of designs from other (western) makers. A Schott perfecto copy, a FW Mulholland copy etc.

I'd be more interested in genuine Chinese design, like jackets from MotivMfg.
You're going to be disappointed. China is currently still in a phase of enthusiasm and admiration for Japanese, British, and American leather jackets. Independent innovation requires a sufficiently large consumer market—if unique designs are produced without market demand, they won’t be sustainable. At present, Chinese consumers don’t fully recognize or appreciate innovative designs. However, given time, considering the purchasing power and evolving demands of Chinese consumers, they will inevitably grow dissatisfied with imitation and develop their own innovative designs. For now, innovation in China’s vintage leather jackets is mostly limited to swapping out leather types on classic patterns to create a fresh feel. That said, to my knowledge, every custom vintage leather jacket vendor in China is eagerly craving new ideas and demands from consumers. They are highly enthusiastic about crafting entirely new styles and designs for customers, and once made, these pieces serve as promotional material for their own branding.
 

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Probably it is only me, and the very recent unexpected death of my father still haunts me, but has this place turned to an AI-infected ****hole?
Title and initial post are clearly from a prompt asking the AI to translate and format their points to English with the goal of posting online. It does make it very hard to read as it is a lengthy post with a cadence and writing style that's very AI slop.

The individual short responses to different messages are far easier on the eyes.

The way I see it, this is one of the "good" uses of AI, as likely without it this user would require far more effort to participate in these forums or not be able to participate at all. Beyond this point, it's on me if I want to actually go on and read or not.
 

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Title and initial post are clearly from a prompt asking the AI to translate and format their points to English with the goal of posting online. It does make it very hard to read as it is a lengthy post with a cadence and writing style that's very AI slop.

The individual short responses to different messages are far easier on the eyes.

The way I see it, this is one of the "good" uses of AI, as likely without it this user would require far more effort to participate in these forums or not be able to participate at all. Beyond this point, it's on me if I want to actually go on and read or not.
right zoro!Carefully checking sentence patterns takes too much time
 

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The way I see it, this is one of the "good" uses of AI, as likely without it this user would require far more effort to participate in these forums or not be able to participate at all. Beyond this point, it's on me if I want to actually go on and read or not.
I don't know, I am following this forum since 2012 and participate since 2015. In these almost 14 years I've seen countless members whose native language is not english participating perfectly with some help from google translate (for myself english is my 3rd language).
Using AI - or AI methods - is something that happens really often lately.
 

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