knickers anyone?

zignatius · Jan 5, 2005

since most people posting here can appreciate tradition and good things that are disappearing, i present you with a smile:

http://tbarryknickers.com/executive.php

Marc Chevalier · Mar 14, 2007

For those who want new knickers, here's a bump.

Orgetorix · Mar 14, 2007

Also known as breeks, plus-twos, and plus-fours, for our British friends who may find talking about "knickers" disconcerting.

Baron Kurtz · Mar 14, 2007

Ach, why not. Tintin's back in town:

bk

The Duke · Mar 14, 2007

Hey Baron,

I remember seeing that photo you took in a earlier thread with Louis Armstrong having similiar attire right?

Alan Eardley · Mar 14, 2007

Yes...

Orgetorix said:
Also known as breeks, plus-twos, and plus-fours, for our British friends who may find talking about "knickers" disconcerting.

We get used to it, but never quite get over it.

Alan

HadleyH · Mar 15, 2007

..."'Plus-fours were a longer version of knickerbocker. Originally worn for golf they became fashionable in other settings, they arrived in 1921 and stayed for nearly twenty years. They were a baggier development of the old Norfolk tweed suit. In England they were worn with Fair Isle or College pullovers,especially at Oxford and Cambridge, where they became almost an undergraduate uniform"...

I couldn't resist, I had to quote that.

Baron Kurtz · Mar 15, 2007

The Duke said:
Hey Baron,

I remember seeing that photo you took in a earlier thread with Louis Armstrong having similiar attire right?

That's right. Took me forever to find it, too.

bk

PADDY · Mar 15, 2007

Pete, you auld Leprachaun!!

All I would need to do is hand you an appropriate Hardy's vintage wooden rod and pop you at the side of my garden pond. The ultimate vintage garden accessory!!

Haversack · Mar 15, 2007

You still a lot of them in parts of southern Germany like Franconia. The Kniehosen will be of leather, loden, or heavy woolen twill and locally made. The woolen stockings tend to come from the UK. They're mostly worn by men with rural professions, (forester, farmer), or by men who take part in rural pursuits, (hunting, fishing, and hiking). You'll even see them worn in the cities of the region as they are, along with other traditional clothing, something of uniform. They are also practical if one is out in the woods and fields. One's trousers tend to stay clean and all you have to change are your stockings. Very important back when clothes were more expensive.

Haversack.

Mike1973 · Mar 15, 2007

Any excuse....

Thes are my cycling plusses and I love them to bits! They come out several times a year on old bike runs.

This suit was bought at a cycle jumble but I don't think it is cycling suit... no re-enforcing patch on the seat. Had it a few years now and still not found an excuse to wear it out in public...:eusa_doh:

(Note to self - Must polish those shoes...)

The Wolf · Mar 15, 2007

I've been caught in my knickers before.

Sincerely,
The Wolf

HadleyH · Mar 15, 2007

Mike1973 said:
This suit was bought at a cycle jumble but I don't think it is cycling suit... no re-enforcing patch on the seat. Had it a few years now and still not found an excuse to wear it out in public...:eusa_doh:

Oooooh, that photo is so nice!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
It could have been taken in the 1920s easily
Never mind the shoes, everything is OK. :eusa_clap

reetpleat · Mar 16, 2007

Couldn't any pnatsbe made into knickers?

I have often wondered why not do that with pants that are too short or damaged, or with a suit with pants as such.

Personally I don't think I would ver wear them, so I have never bothered, but I have bags full of vintge pants.

Maybe I should have some done and sell them on e-bay. As repros of course.

Anyone had some altered?

Marc Chevalier · Mar 16, 2007

reetpleat said:
Couldn't any pnatsbe made into knickers?

Probably not worth the time, effort and expense. The vintage knickers market ain't that hot.

.

dhermann1 · Mar 16, 2007

Cool sweater

I also like what I call the All Creatures Great and Small sweater. I've always loved those great hand knit jerkins (that's what they call them in Jolly Olde England), the kind that Tristram is always wearing in that show. I have a pair of knickers from a vintage clothing place in LA whose name escapes me now. Very nicely made. I lent them to our local community theater last May for Music Man and haven't gotten them back yet. They're "in the basement somewhere". Note to self: get them back!!! I got them after seeing a pic of King George V out shooting birds with his upper class cronies around 1925. He has knickers, tweeds, shotgun, the whole nine yards.

Alan Eardley · Mar 16, 2007

Marc Chevalier said:
Probably not worth the time, effort and expense. The vintage knickers market ain't that hot.
.

Really? Have you checked ebay.co.uk.? I would describe it as a flourishing niche market. Our own Bookster1 is a significant contributor.

By the way, I have a pair of new old stock (from the early 90s) Bladen plus twos (36W) in Supersax tweed for sale. If anyone is interested PM me.

The difficulty in making a pair of ordinary trousers into convincing plus fours is putting a knit cuff onto a 20 inch leg. Difficult sewing.

Alan

Orgetorix · Mar 16, 2007

Alan Eardley said:
The difficulty in making a pair of ordinary trousers into convincing plus fours is putting a knit cuff onto a 20 inch leg. Difficult sewing.

What about cuffs like this?

(from a post in the British Trousers thread)

Alan Eardley · Mar 16, 2007

Breeches

Not too difficult to make up, certainly, and buckled or 'O'ring fasteners were common enough on breeches with an relatively narrow leg, but many people like the knitted cuffs of period plus twos or fours with a wider leg.

The advantage of a strap fastening is that you can sometimes take off your breeches over your boots.

Alan

Mike1973 · Mar 16, 2007

reference shots...

Think those photo's I posted on the British Trouser thread would be better suited here, so....

The 'fours' -

And here are the ones from the grey suit...

High fishtail back, but with less drop, plus twos? I always thought they got their name by how much they drop down below the knee? 'Twos', 'Fours', 'Sixes'...

I think you'd struggle to make a pair from trousers, there just isn't enough width around the knee.

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