Any plus four aficianados out there...

Discussion in 'General Attire & Accoutrements' started by Mike1973, Aug 26, 2006.

  1. Pat Spade

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    Nice ones, Fastuni. Will you keep them or do you intend to sell them? I'd might be interested....
     
  2. Fastuni

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    Thanks guys, yes the flecked fabric is spectacular. I will post tomorrow a photo of the knickerbockers worn by me.
    They are a perfect fit for me (36 inches waist) - so I keep them. But I will let you know Pat, if I ever intend to let them go.

    The kneeband construction is indeed a simple tunnel with shoestrings. It actually secures quite firmly below the leg.
     
  3. Nick D

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    How many darts are taken out of the front and back of the cuffs? I see one in the photo laid flat, but are there two or one on the other side? How long are they?
     
  4. Fastuni

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    One dart on front, one on back, the inner seam is also darted, while the outer seam has the wedged gap as you can see. Each dart is 5 cm.
     
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  5. Fastuni

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    When worn...
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  6. Pat Spade

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    Wow. This is indeed a very nice pair of Knickerbockers....and a very interesting pair of "Pantoffels", although they do not match;)

    I fully understand that you will hold them, something like this is ultra rare, I think...
     
  7. Fastuni

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    The house-shoes are from: http://www.pantoffeleck.de/
    A tradtional German house-shoe maker holding on the designs from the the early 20th century.
    They are great and warming, but run about a half size large. I put lambskin insoles into mine.
     
  8. Two Types

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    Brilliant. if only you had the jacket to match!
     
  9. Fastuni

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    It has a jacket, but alas not a proper suit coat, but a short DB Ski-Jacket. It doesn't look good on me.
     
  10. Flat Foot Floey

    Flat Foot Floey My Mail is Forwarded Here

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    Oh yeah. My kind of tweed! :)
     
  11. Pat Spade

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    what will youu do with the ski jacket? Pics?
     
  12. willyto

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    That's a fantastic fabric! I would love to see the jacket too.

    I think I'm starting to like plus four and I don't think it's a good thing...
     
  13. Pat Spade

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    I like them too, it began a while ago...sadly (or luckily for my wallet) there are no good reproductions out there, afaik, and something like Fastuni`s in that shape and fit show how often up...once in a decade?
     
  14. Michael A

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    Wow, those are some fabulous tweed knickers. I experimentally converted a pair of wool dress pants to short pants last fall. The impetus being that I was tired of ruining pants while I was bicycling. They turned out nicely from a function standpoint. If not so stylish as the vintage ones.

    [​IMG]10-3-2015 My Knickerbockers by Michael A2012, on Flickr

    Same set different view. I just darted the side seam on one side and took a V out of the other side and attached a strap at the bottom made from the excess leg fabric. I used velcro to attach it since it was a first experiment. Old drafting books show a number of different button, hook, etc schemes. I like the drawstring me on the tweeds.

    [​IMG]P1150565 by Michael A2012, on Flickr

    Michael
     
  15. Fastuni

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    Nice. If trousers are straight cut and have plenty of width, one can easily convert them.
    The more darts, the better it falls.
     
  16. Michael A

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    Thanks Fastuni. I'm actually aiming more in the Breeches/Breeks direction than in the Plus Twos/Fours direction so I think that opens up a lot more pants to successful conversion. As sewing goes it's quite easy and I recall doing it in less than an afternoon. Compared to the tartan shirt and flat cap in the first photo I posted above, both of which I made, it was a walk in the park. And as it happens I was at a local thrift yesterday and picked up these,

    [​IMG]Shortened (by someone) LL Bean Wool Herringbone Pant by Michael A2012, on Flickr

    LL Bean heavy wool cruiser pants that someone has pre-shortened for unexplained reasons. They now fall 7" below my knee and are, I think, perfect candidates for knickerization. A very heavy pant and with suspender buttons even. I couldn't pass them up for 25 cents.

    I wear the breeches for bicycling and walking the woods, so I prefer the more minimal size around the calf as the more practical design for the uses.

    Michael
     
  17. Rabbit

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    30s (UK) peak lapel tweed and 30s (UK) plusfours

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  18. Mean Eyed Matt

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    Great look! Really digging that jacket: SB peak lapel + herringbone tweed! If you ever come across a second one... ;)
     
  19. willyto

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    Looking around for a way to convert trousers to plus fours I found a link to a document from a cycling forum:

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    Unfortunately it has no pictures but it could help someone who wants to make the conversion.
     
  20. Fastuni

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    This German instruction from the 1930's is illustrated and easier to understand (for me at least... :D).

    In the end one only needs wide enough throusers, cut or sew in curved "wedges" and make a hem-strap with buckler or add a string or button.

    Source: www.return2style.de
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