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gandydancer said:
I would certainly like to see what you come up with JP. One of my problems is that if I can't get the information off the internet I have to get it via interlibrary loan and you know how long that takes, especially when you don't know exactly where it is.

Ok, now I have my hands on what I want here.
The man whose name I wanted to remember was Hungarian patriot (not poet but I knew it began with p :p ) Lajos Kossuth. He was also a Hungarian lawyer, journalist, politician and regent for a time. Far before the 1881 play Fedora by Victorien Sardou, there was Kossuth. He was the "Father of Hungarian Democracy" and came to the United States during 1851/52 as an official guest of the government to seek American support for Hungarian independence. During his six-month stay he was the second non-US citizen to address the Senate and the House of Representatives, toured the country, visited more than 60 cities, and gave about 300 speeches. He became a symbol of democracy, representative government, and national independence for the Hungarian people.
He catapulted the soft felts that were hand shaped and worn by peasants into fashionable headwear when he wore the wide brimmed, shaped rounded crown hat instead of the top hat of the day.
While it is true that his visit happened to coincide with a romantic period of art and literature, it was the charisma of Kossuth that vaulted the hat above the peasant because it sat on his head. His presence here for that short six months is still felt in the areas where he spoke and met with officials because they still commemorate his visit in New Orleans, Boston and Columbus 153 years later. There is even a Kossuth County in Iowa.
Finding evidenciary pictures of him wearing the hat is very hard. There are a few prints that follow showing him with a hat but it is too far away to get details of the hat. I suppose they were more interested in the man. ;)
If you look closely in these prints you can just make out the hat Kossuth has in his hand and on his head. I have circled him in the prints.

KossuthinNewYork.jpg


broadwaykossuth.jpg


Regards to all,

J
 

gandydancer

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Thank you, JP. I shall see what I can find about Kossuth. Seems he definately was wearing a slouch hat of some sort around 1850. However, that does not necessarily mean it was a predecessor of the fedora. Slouch hats (any felt hat with a soft brim) have been around for thousands of years, the god Odin was described as wearing one.

However, I have to admit that I have not come across a solid reference that shows the english bird shooting hat was developed from the south african big game shooting hat. It is a logical cultural jump, the time frame is right, and the naming is indicative; but I have not found that reference to support it yet. Everything else I can reference although I am not actually trying to do a scholarly piece.

Too bad I do not have the credentials and funds to try and track down orginal resources. Woundn't it be neat to find a old letter to a hatter saying, "Please make me a hat like the one I wore in Africa in 1864 only with a smaller brim. I think it would be just smashing for bird shooting."

Oh well, luckily, I don't have to prove it, just make a good case for it.
 

Merlin

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Wild Root said:
Merlin,

That's my car Matt's sitting in. It's an early 46 Plymouth. I wonder why when most people guess what year it is, 46 is the number they never expect. Always a 47 to 49 or so on. 46 to mid 49 were the same car for the most part.

Glad you like her.

Root.

'46, huh? That's a rare bird. I'm sure the reason nobody guesses '46 is because so few of them were made; the same thing's true for '42. The '42s barely got into production when the war started, and the '46 model year was so short because the war had just ended. She's a beaut, nevertheless. I especially like the fact that it looks (basically) unrestored and original. Gives it much more character!
 

Tango Yankee

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All of the fedoras I've bought recently came with the back of the brim up. I've not changed that yet, though I do like both styles.

Of course, a lot of the hats I've bought are stingy brims. I think a stingy brim looks better with the brim up in the back. Speaking of stingy brims, I think I'll ask a question about them on another thread.

Cheers,
Tom
 

Spellflower

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Thanks Stoney!:eusa_clap

Yes, that is a terrific hat. I like my Akubra Fedora just fine, but I'd love to get me one like Jimmy's! Anybody have a guess as to the make/model/dimensions of that hat?

I also like that he wears it with a gray suit, which makes me feel better about doing the same.

(NOT) :eek:fftopic: Now, back to the thread topic:
For a great 1935 pic of E.B.White with his brim down all around, check out the cover of his book, "Here Is New York."
http://www.amazon.com/Here-New-York...4452136?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1175643999&sr=8-6
 

MattJH

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My Akubra Traveller has the brim down all around. At first I wasn't into it. Then I walked outside when the sun was shining. It's currently my favorite, most-worn hat.
 

rockyj

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Nick D said:
My day-to-day crushable fedora has the brim down all the way around. My dress fedora has it snapped up in the back.
that's what I like about the crushable. It doesn't have that beat-up look that the dress fedora might have if you keep pulling the back up and down over time
 

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