you see it all time on visit to web sites cavalry hats4 sale and they are silly low crown hats with big hanging brims , how stupid they look , and also stating ,these are genuine looking hats ,when i no for a fact there was no cavalry hat at all, and the hats they actully wore and supplied with, were high crowned and small brimed
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Sam Craig
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I'm not sure what you mean by a cavalry hat, but I remember when I began doing Indian Wars living history back in the 1970s and how difficult it was to convince the public that the soldiers didn't really wear bright yellow bandanas around their necks!
They'd seen them in the movies and they certainly didn't want to hear or see anything different.:rage:
They'd seen them in the movies and they certainly didn't want to hear or see anything different.:rage:
by cav hat i mean the campaign hat or clouch , in our terms, it just annoyes me that hat sellers gloss them over by calling them cav hats and stick bright yellow cord s on them to catch the eye, theres one hat seller i noticed has gor 6 different cav hats for sale and none of them any thing like wwhat actully wore,
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Gotcha
People get some pretty strange ideas and they aren't too anxious to learn the truth
I've had a lot of buckskinner friends who are thrilled with wearing a deer hide shirt ... until they have to do it in 100 degree weather. They still can't accept historic reality ... too tied into what the movies show
It's the same way with cowboy stuff
Once you've had to work in chaps, they lose a lot of their romance, but in the movies guys sport them day and night
People get some pretty strange ideas and they aren't too anxious to learn the truth
I've had a lot of buckskinner friends who are thrilled with wearing a deer hide shirt ... until they have to do it in 100 degree weather. They still can't accept historic reality ... too tied into what the movies show
It's the same way with cowboy stuff
Once you've had to work in chaps, they lose a lot of their romance, but in the movies guys sport them day and night
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Most cavalry in the modern US Army wear cavalry hats made by Stetson. If you look on the numerous sites that represent the various active cavalry units, many have links to Stetson deals on these hats.
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A pretty good site for Cav Stetsons (complete with history). http://www.cavhooah.com/stetson.htm
Widebrim, formerly 1/82 CAV.
Widebrim, formerly 1/82 CAV.
not sure what the modern cavalry wear in the way of soft hats , or a cowboy hat style , im more into the indain wars and span am hats that were iissued, i was after a 1876 hat a few years back , and there was no way i could find one , apart from the real thing, which were over a thousand dollars,and falling apart! in the end i had make one up my self
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Try the Outerwear thread here in the Lounge. They talk all kinds of boots there.liten said:
liten said:
Yes, we make hats for the army. One of the few, official/unofficial items allowed to be worn by service members as part of their uniform.
This link provides a history of how it came to be.
I don't think the retailers are trying to sell the hat as though it were a replica of the 19th century. Possibly ignorantly, but not maliciously. Instead I think they are trying to sell to the current service members.
Good luck finding a hat to your liking. BTW We make 4X and 5X hats open crown with 7 " crowns and up to 5" flat brims. (You guys complain about stiffner. You should see how much goes in the brim of that hat to keep it flat!)
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liten said:
Try this web site. (Boots & Brogans)
http://www.ushist.com/indian-wars_uniforms_us_iw_f.shtml
And uniforms/
http://www.ushist.com/indian-wars_uniforms_us_iw_f.shtml
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C Company, 7th Cavalry Indian War Wars Living History Group
Hi there,
A couple of friends and I run an as authentic as possible Living History & Re-enactment group here in the UK covering specifically C Company in the 1876 campaign (though the main man hates the term re-enactment and re-enactors generally - I keep telling him that it is a word that covers a broad church from authentic to total farbs ... but he has just got it stuck in his head that Living History is good & re-enactment is bad. That's by the by, it's just a terminology thing).
We haven't properly been active for a couple of years and I have a horrible feeling our website and domain name has slipped away - it was www.7thcav.org - we live in different parts of the country and divorce, the recession, illness etc have all taken there toll!
In terms of our uniforms and equipment we went through a process of painstaking research, trial and error and tried lots of different suppliers. In the end we had a lot of uniform items tailored by a good local seamstress using authentic cloth and materials - we found some good commercial repros from re-enactor suppliers but often they would fall apart after a couple of weekends - trousers especially, even tentage! I think the problem is a lot of stuff is made for display or western nights rather than to be actually used in a canvas tent in a field in the wet & windy UK up north! Leatherware we tend to import from the States.
With regards to slouch hats, mine came from a small western supplier and is a black high-ish crown medium brim felt that came from a western store. I bashed a centre crease, took off the ribbon and added a stampede strap and cav sabres. My boots are as authentic as possible but I bought them from my pal when he upgraded so I am not 100% sure of origin - but his family business is a traditional cobblers in North Yorkshire so he knows what he's about when it comes to boots etc. I have a Remmington Army sidearm, and appropriate ammo pouch, flapped holster and belts with sabre hangers. This rig is slightly earlier than the Colt rig often associated with the 7th Cav but is still accurate and authentic (and can serve as ACW as well which is it's attraction for me as it is not cheap gear and to use it only for a narrow window of time would not be very cost effective).
One thing for sure is that the 7th Cav on campaign were a mixed bunch wearing all sorts of different kit and equipment; some privately purchased, some old kit from ACW in some cases (less so later on but still plenty of Civil War kit out on the remote outposts), newer kit - some experimental, as well as regulation issue.
As mentioned in previous posts, the public at shows take a lot of convincing that there is more to the 7th than yellow neckerchiefs!
I will try and dig out some photos for you! In the meantime this chap does a credible impression generally - he's not of our group but we know him fairly well and for a one man band he does really well!
http://www.7thcav.org.uk/index.htm
Gary Owen!
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Hi there,
A couple of friends and I run an as authentic as possible Living History & Re-enactment group here in the UK covering specifically C Company in the 1876 campaign (though the main man hates the term re-enactment and re-enactors generally - I keep telling him that it is a word that covers a broad church from authentic to total farbs ... but he has just got it stuck in his head that Living History is good & re-enactment is bad. That's by the by, it's just a terminology thing).
We haven't properly been active for a couple of years and I have a horrible feeling our website and domain name has slipped away - it was www.7thcav.org - we live in different parts of the country and divorce, the recession, illness etc have all taken there toll!
In terms of our uniforms and equipment we went through a process of painstaking research, trial and error and tried lots of different suppliers. In the end we had a lot of uniform items tailored by a good local seamstress using authentic cloth and materials - we found some good commercial repros from re-enactor suppliers but often they would fall apart after a couple of weekends - trousers especially, even tentage! I think the problem is a lot of stuff is made for display or western nights rather than to be actually used in a canvas tent in a field in the wet & windy UK up north! Leatherware we tend to import from the States.
With regards to slouch hats, mine came from a small western supplier and is a black high-ish crown medium brim felt that came from a western store. I bashed a centre crease, took off the ribbon and added a stampede strap and cav sabres. My boots are as authentic as possible but I bought them from my pal when he upgraded so I am not 100% sure of origin - but his family business is a traditional cobblers in North Yorkshire so he knows what he's about when it comes to boots etc. I have a Remmington Army sidearm, and appropriate ammo pouch, flapped holster and belts with sabre hangers. This rig is slightly earlier than the Colt rig often associated with the 7th Cav but is still accurate and authentic (and can serve as ACW as well which is it's attraction for me as it is not cheap gear and to use it only for a narrow window of time would not be very cost effective).
One thing for sure is that the 7th Cav on campaign were a mixed bunch wearing all sorts of different kit and equipment; some privately purchased, some old kit from ACW in some cases (less so later on but still plenty of Civil War kit out on the remote outposts), newer kit - some experimental, as well as regulation issue.
As mentioned in previous posts, the public at shows take a lot of convincing that there is more to the 7th than yellow neckerchiefs!
I will try and dig out some photos for you! In the meantime this chap does a credible impression generally - he's not of our group but we know him fairly well and for a one man band he does really well!
http://www.7thcav.org.uk/index.htm
Gary Owen!
Speedy
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My understanding of the slouch hat, in the Indian Wars Period, is that it was never "official issue," it was a private purchase, from the sutler store, therefore you will see huge variations in style. There is probably no definitive "slouch." Like the Luftwaffe leather jacket, which was a private purchase civilian jacket, with many variants.
Uniformity is an issue, even with "issue" items until well after WWII
Uniformity is an issue, even with "issue" items until well after WWII
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there was a issue hat, for the indain wars , the first one the andrews hat 1872 which fell apart after a few weeks ,then there was the 1876 hat which wasnt that much better, and both hats were black which was a problem in the summer months, and of low qualitymaterials , wasnt until 1883 with a color change and an inprovment in quality that things inproved in the hat department
there was a issue hat, for the indain wars , the first one the andrews hat 1872 which fell apart after a few weeks ,then there was the 1876 hat which wasnt that much better, and both hats were black which was a problem in the summer months, and of low qualitymaterials , wasnt until 1883 with a color change and an inprovment in quality that things inproved in the hat department
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thats why ive gone for the 80s period , its to hard to pin point what custers troopers wore in way of a uniform and the gear they used, all we can do is guess, or go by period comments, theres no photos of enlisted either only officers portraits ive only seen one photo of custers cavalry which was take in 1875 at fort lincoln , and that was a distance shot, and was of e company gray horse, there slouch hats looked rather big, and on the average they lwere small in statue and which made there horses look big
thats why ive gone for the 80s period , its to hard to pin point what custers troopers wore in way of a uniform and the gear they used, all we can do is guess, or go by period comments, theres no photos of enlisted either only officers portraits ive only seen one photo of custers cavalry which was take in 1875 at fort lincoln , and that was a distance shot, and was of e company gray horse, there slouch hats looked rather big, and on the average they lwere small in statue and which made there horses look big
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