Freewheelers Centinela Rude Black

Discussion in 'Outerwear' started by puiyc1203, Apr 18, 2021.

  1. dannyk

    dannyk One Too Many

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    I have no idea. This isn’t one of my favorite jackets. This specific design. So you might be right. I just meant vintage jackets in general ive seen balloon arms on plenty. But if this specific model did not have that; then I don’t know! Then ya got me why they’d do that ha
     
  2. Marc mndt

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    Oh I didn't try or mean to prove you're wrong. I honestly don't know because I don't own anything pre 50s (yet). I was just observing a couple of leathertogs pics trying to find out whether or not the sleeves look similar to those on FW jackets.
     
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  3. JMax

    JMax I'll Lock Up

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    Bottom jacket is a Langlitz. They definitely do baggier upper arms on many of their jackets.

    Most OG LTs I have seen online have the sharp elbow to wrist taper. Tough to say about the upper arms by just looking at pictures. Many times the upper arm looks baggy but is it really baggier or just an illusion created by the lower arm taper. Alas I don’t have around $10K laying around to purchase one to find out first hand.
     
  4. Monitor

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    Which one? Haven't handled anything from ELMC but the leather Eastman is using for their A-2's is really nice. So much that while I'm not really all too sold on the whole concept of expensive leather anymore, this kinda hide just really stood out and made me want to want something else made in it.

    Ditto for Bill Kelso's Liberty. That stuff is INSANE. I can almost see why the $1K upcharge.
     
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  5. dudewuttheheck

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    The examples I handled felt very thin. Too thin for horsehide IMO. The grain also had the appearance of cowhide with very even, pebbly grain. I really hate when horsehide does this. It is a major reason why I don't like Vicenza at all. This was a while ago so I would like to handle it again.
     
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  6. Monitor

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    Then it's completely different, yeah. But it looks that way from the photos, too. Horsehide they use on A-2's is very natural looking hide, with some panels being smooth and other grainy but naturally so, not pebbled. Shiny finish and super rich color.

    Anyway, I'm pretty sure Vicenza is embossed - At least to some extent. I've seen horsehide that I know hasn't been corrected and none looks even remotely as pebbly as Vicenza. There's just no way that stuff is naturally so grainy.
     
  7. Kuro

    Kuro Practically Family

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    These jackets have large arm holes to allow for a range of motion. Large arm holes equals large biceps.
     
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  8. navetsea

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    I like this a lot more
     
  9. Kuro

    Kuro Practically Family

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    I think the sizes made were only up to a 42? There are a couple other changes as well. I remember looking wishfully at this very jacket knowing I would never fit in any of the sizes made.
     
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  10. Kuro

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    That is good to know about the differences in leather and some changes in taper. I find that interesting! My 42 La Brea that I will own someday is a 2019 model. Happy to know it is of the hard variety!
     
  11. navetsea

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    I like this a lot more, if they go with high armhole thus slim sleeve in 2013, and then come with current fit with much fuller upper and hard taper on forearm, then it is a deliberate style choice from them.
     
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  12. Marc mndt

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    The grainiest non-vintage jacket I've had was this ELMC Californian.
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  13. TheBigEraser

    TheBigEraser One of the Regulars

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    Hi Marc, I think what he meant is matte, no coating, evenly distributed pebble-grain-like hide. I saw his liberty hide Bill Kelso, the horsehide differs quite a lot from Shinki. Maybe that's his general impression about cowhide.
    Actually, the black ELMC you brought the other day has some similarity with the liberty horsehide used on his Bill Kelso in terms of evenly-distributeness (I don't even know if this is proper English, haha, but I think you get what I meant) of the grain. But I like your ELMC hide more because of the sheen and the more poped grain. I think it really comes down to each individual jacket, as many posts pointed out the selection of hide can differ a lot even on the same model of ELMC.

    This is the page of vintage leathertogs photo included in the Lightening magazine. I think this is the direct reference of the cut and design.
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    Hi Monitor, I am not sure if you are mixing Liberty horsehide and Victory horsehide. I don't think Liberty horsehide need that 1K upcharge.

    A size 38 of this model (Freewheelers Dare Devil) popped at the Chinese second-hand market several days ago. I asked the owner for the measurement and figured out this model is more generous than Centinela. A size 38 Dare Devil has a chest measurement of 106cm, which looks more "normal" compared to Centinela. Unfortunately a bit too small for me. The jacket is sold 1 day after the posting.
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