German & Austrian Hutmachers

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  1. mayserwegener

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    Panos, Thanks! The Velour is great and in very good condition but the components are lacking.
     
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  2. Steve1857

    Steve1857 I'll Lock Up

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    I promised Steve @mayserwegener that I would post this C.W. Borchert hat box in this thread, so here it is.

    It has the company's original address at Friedrich Strasse pre WWII. After WWII, Borchert moved to Kurfüstendamm. That is to to say from east to west Berlin after the city's partition.

    The G.m.b.H initials (the German equivalent of a limited liability company) are also missing on this hat box, which lead me to believe this is very early 1900s.

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  3. Koechinggendoet

    Koechinggendoet Familiar Face

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    Hello to all of my fellow loungers
    This is my first austrian hat,an huckel one
    Sorry for the inside picture to be from the seller,the hat sweatband is now in turmoil at my hand
     

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  4. mayserwegener

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    Nice find! It's actually a German made hat. This hat was made by Hückel Weilheim and probably later 1960s early 1970s. Ex employees from JHS Ratibor Factory started Hückel Weilheim post WWII. More about Hückel here.

    https://germanaustrianhats.invisionzone.com/topic/6-johann-hückel´s-söhne-hückel-hutfabrik-weilheim/
     
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  5. Koechinggendoet

    Koechinggendoet Familiar Face

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    Thank you for the info steve,i read some blog that say hückel was an austrian company changed name to tonak,of course you know more than i ever to be
     
  6. mayserwegener

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    Steve, Thanks for posting! Also please post the Franz Gulder Silk Top Hat if you have time. Thanks.
     
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  7. mayserwegener

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    Tonak today is the original JHS main factory in Nový Jičín, Czechoslovakia (Czech Republic today) up to WWI Neutitschein, Austria. All Czech Hat factories were nationalzed as Tonak post WWII. Here you can read about the beginnings (post WWII) of Hückel Weilheim (Bavaria) started by expelled workers from JHS Ratibor Factory.

    https://germanaustrianhats.invisionzone.com/topic/6-johann-hückel´s-söhne-hückel-hutfabrik-weilheim/?do=findComment&comment=952
     
  8. Koechinggendoet

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    Thankyou again for the info steve,its my daily hats when its cold outside,and its fairly cheap,i buy it for 48 dollars
     
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  9. Koechinggendoet

    Koechinggendoet Familiar Face

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    Forgot to add this one,an emblem placed in the sweatband ribbon place(usually)
     

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  10. Steve1857

    Steve1857 I'll Lock Up

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    Will do, Steve. I was planning on doing it yesterday, but the FL is so irritatingly slow that I gave up on it.

     
  11. Steve1857

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    Here it is, Steve.

    A Franz Gulder of Vienna top hat. A fairly unknown maker, but seems to have been popular among Danish hatters.

    It's quite light in weight compared to my Lincoln & Bennet for example, but out of the 10 top hats I own, this one comes second after my L&B with regard to the quality of the finish of the silk.

    Sadly, at a size 59, it's two sizes too large for me. IMG_20210408_165023.jpg
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  13. mayserwegener

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    Steve, Thanks! It's the first Franz Gulder Wien.
     
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    You're most welcome, Steve.

    It's always nice to be a first, especially when it's a very fine example of the hat maker.

    Please feel free to post the Franz Gulder top hat and my ca. early 1900s C.W.Borchert hat box on your germanaustrianhat site, Steve.

     
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  15. Mean Eyed Matt

    Mean Eyed Matt Practically Family

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    I thought again about the logo in Stefans Woolie, because it is great
    and I think it is the head of a griffin in the middle.
    I remember darkly that I heard/read sometime/somewhere
    the name " Greif-Hüte". The griffin is the heraldic animal of Pomerania,
    which is why I thought of a ( North ) East German company.
    But the griffin is also the heraldic animal of Baden -
    where also Freiburg im Breisgau (Trescher) is located.

    A Google search did yield a hit for "Marke Greif",
    but unfortunately the post of the "Greif" top hat
    is missing the pictures in the meantime:
    https://picclick.de/Echter-Zylinderhut-von-Orginal-Marke-Greif-202415654357.html

    In the bay there is also a hat " Marke Greif " right now
    - unfortunately also without pictures:
    https://www.ebay.de/itm/Raritaet-2-Haarhuete-/292421812203
    I asked the seller for more pictures...

    Maybe Steve knows more? Ever heard of this brand?
    Maybe just a coincidence...
     
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  16. mayserwegener

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    Matt, Here you go. I replied to a post back in 2019 but the poster never replied back

    https://www.thefedoralounge.com/threads/german-austrian-hutmachers.32103/page-360#post-2499865

    The "Marke Greif" belonged to supplier Vatter & Kaltenbach & Co. Frankfurt am Main. The advertisement below is from 1950.

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    I don't believe they made hats so they sourced from hat companies. In this 1936 advertisement they were a supplier of Rockel (see below).

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  17. PanosChris

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    Here is one of those unknown brand pre-war woolies, I got just recently 20210416_100105.jpg 20210416_095843.jpg 20210416_100128.jpg 20210416_100144.jpg 20210416_095905.jpg 20210416_100226.jpg 20210416_100234.jpg 20210417_222450.jpg 20210417_222423.jpg Not quite sure what is written on the stamp and whether "21" is the production year. It shares some elements (label, brim finish) with the "Germania" I got from @steur
     
  18. steur

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    Again: a marvelous find! Love the colour and the thickness of the velour is almost tangible from the pictures alone.
     
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    Lovely topper, Steve. Too bad about the size. Larger sized toppers are rare though and don't come cheap.
     
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  20. steur

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    Interesting thought, Matt. Did not make the connection myself. As luck would have it, I own a Marke Greif hat. Just to compare here are a few pics.

    greif_02.jpg greif_08.jpg greif_10.jpg

    Vauka is most likely an acronym of VAtter Und KAltenback.

    Here's the Trescher again for comparison:
    trescher_02.jpg trescher_08.jpg

    And one in the same colour scheme: Wotan Homburg. Very similar to the Greif in its styling. I just noticed the lower case o in the WoTAN name. So it could very well be an acronym, like Vauka is as well.

    wotan_02.jpg wotan11.jpg
     

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