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Discussion in 'Outerwear' started by jerome230, Nov 21, 2020.
I wish you success in finding this gear. It may be helpful to learn that this site tends to focus on early and mid 20th Century, golden era clothing - for instance, the look of Bogart; Brando, James Dean. While there is some flexibility in style tastes here, your interest appears to be later and more focused on 1980's rock. Nothing wrong with that, but not something that tends to come up.
Cool cord jackets man, I haven't the foggiest where you can find them but they are nice. FL does have workwear enthusiasts and those type's of cord jackets have a workwear atmosphere so I would say that this is a decent place to ask for help. I would keep posting but to be fair the chances are slim.
Now that I think of it there might be a FB group regarding this type of clothing. Try asking RagParade UK they deal in vintage similar to this but not exclusively this type of vintage the owner is young successful and is interested in such gear I think
Oh, and I hope you will stay on FL aside from the leather fans there are other topics and clothing offered, don't get dissuaded.
Hey guys, still looking!
I did checkout that facebook page, and the guy running it said he would take a look when he gets a chance, but I haven't heard back from him.
Welcome to the lounge Jerome.
To answer your search questions, if i were looking for any or all that you’ve listed, i would fire up the eBay searches for:
Levis corduroy jackets and shirts.
Eddie Vetter clothes.
I’m sure that will keep you busy.
Then do the same on Etsy.
Let us know what you find.
Jerome is here because one of Eddie Vedder's best jackets from the past is an old leather Sears Fieldmaster. SO he is in the appropriate place to discuss a Vintage Sears jacket. I DO see that a few of his other grail items stray some from what we are typically discussing here. But he IS looking around here earnestly in good faith and perhaps is unaware of the depth and variety of vintage attire largely discussed herein. I think he started on that Fieldmaster and has continued to search for other items here as well. The Fieldmaster is right up our alley!!!! The other items sought----perhaps---not so much.
Sorry AbbaDatDeHat, I don't mean to direct this towards you. or anyone really. I just started typing and well this kinda got way more in depth that I had expected, and now I'm just rolling with it, I do think it is important to my main post to say my main message here, which should be clearly evident, as it just jumps out at you when you look at this comment.
I certainly don't mean to attack you, please don't interpret this as that.
I'm going to need to split this comment into two parts, as it came out to be about 12,000 characters long. Sorry.
I have been extensively searching on Ebay, Etsy, Depop, and occasionally some of the Japanese sites that are available for Proxy Shipping, for (most of) these jackets for the last couple years.
I know what I'm looking for, just I don't know quite exactly what each of them are.
Most of these I have been looking for for the last couple of years. This is my hobby. To collect these. These are the ones I'm after the most, and are proving to be the most difficult.
The majority of the things that make these jackets the jackets that they are, are a lot of very small details, that almost no one besides my ocd self would ever in a million years even care to notice. I understand that. Again, this is my hobby. To collect these. I am a perfectionist. I am not just looking for something similar, of which there are a LOT of similar products available, and they are not what I'm looking for. That said, I'm looking for the core design(and the main details that make it what it is) in the majority of these, not necessarily the exact same jacket from the exact same brand.
What the main point of my post is: Is to ask if anyone knows of any brands that made these jackets(or VERY similar ones) I personally get a lot of hits with stuff from department stores. Mainly Sears. Sometimes JcPenney. I've only lived in the 21st century though. I don't know that many department stores from the 40-90s. Any suggestions at all help. That is what I'm looking for. Some jumping off points that I might have not tried yet.
I don't expect anyone here, or anywhere else to just magically be able to send me a link to buy a jacket that is exactly the same as any jacket on this list. I honestly don't know what I would do if that happened. I would be extremely shocked.
Searching for "Eddie Vedder Clothes" just brings up merch from like his Solo Shows, or even some Pearl Jam merch just being tagged with his name. Also a LOT of bootleg stuff. None of which I'm much interested in.
The Brown Corduroy shirt, and the Gray/Green Corduroy Trucker Zip jacket are the only two that might possibly be Levis. I don't imagine that they are. The shirt, I believe is a woman's blouse. Mostly from the buttons being on the left rather than the right. Also the cuffs, they are only split at the cuffs. Rather than most jackets/shirts that are produced, go up about 2+ inches into the sleeve. Also the way that it looks tighter around his forearm(and has busted from the elbow down through heavy, but mostly casual wear) than a typical, fitting shirt. Also the sleeves are a bit short. He is a pretty small man. Anyway - I believe it was produced without pockets. Most Corduroy shirts have pockets, as they were typically designed as workwear, as far as I can tell, anyway. It's definitely possible that it had pockets, and they were removed, either by Eddie himself, or a previous owner. If it were a Levi's shirt, the Levi's tag would be on the Left chest pocket, and/or just under the collar on the inside of the neck. Seeing as there are no pockets, and no other visible tag on the exterior of the shirt, the only branding on the shirt would most likely be on the inside, at the neck area. There are, as far as I can tell, no photos of the inside of this shirt. Thus making identifying the brand next to impossible. I can only speculate things that I can't know for sure. I would take a heavy guess that it is not from Levi's. I would take a guess to say that it might be from some department store, I typically see this large extended collar by searching for "70s..." Though I know it's not exclusive to the 70s at all, in fact, I'd guess this shirt looks a bit older, but that's just speculation.
The Gray/Green Corduroy Trucker Jacket, I also believe to be a women's Jacket. This also mostly comes from the zipper being on the left, rather than the right. Also the way the cuffs are, in some photos, they look like it'd be a bit tight to button them around his wrist. Where the shirt looked like it'd be very difficult to button the cuffs, the cuffs on the jacket look like they might be able to be buttoned. Though I can't say for certain. Again, he is a pretty small man. It's hard to quantify just how small he is. I can tell you his height and rough sizing, which can give you a general idea, but it's hard to visualize it exactly without just knowing. Either way, probably not Levi's, the tag isn't on the pocket. Can't say for inside the jacket. Certainly possible it was removed. But I can't find anything similar ever done by Levi's.
The Blue Corduroy Trucker Jacket is definitely not Levi's. The only way that it might be Levi's is if it's a shirt converted into a jacket(And the Levi's Tag on the pocket and neck area were removed), which isn't impossible, but I think a bit hard pressed. Corduroy is a difficult material to work with sewing. If it was converted, they did a fantastic job. Either way, this one is a Men's Jacket. I know probably more about this jacket than any of the others. The most difficult features of this jacket to find on other jackets is:
1. The Buttons - They are wooden buttons, like found on a shirt (Something that could support the shirt converted jacket theory) Where most Corduroy jackets have either snap buttons, or standard buttons, they almost always are metal rivet buttons.
2. The Collar - Again that extended length collar. In this case I believe it's 4.25" long. Possibly 4.5" It's hard to say for certain. That's just an added thing that makes it difficult to find. Hard to explain exactly. Like I mentioned previously that this collar seems to come up most when I add "70s..." to the search term, though it's not exclusively limited to the 70s.
I don't know much about the 70s, but I don't know that corduroy workwear was exactly fitting into the disco scene?
From what I can tell corduroy workwear seems more appropriate around the 50s-60s? I don't know anything about the time periods for sure, as I'm mostly after the clothing, less interested in the history of the time periods.
3.The Pockets - Not only are the pockets roughly 1" lower from the chest seam(Where most trucker jackets will have the pocket flap coming out of the chest seam, and the pocket just under that) But also the pockets are quite big. They are (the standard?) 5" across, but about 5.5" from the corner of the flap, to the bottom corner, where it slants down to make the tip of the pocket, which is roughly another 1" down from the bottom corner. Also the flap seems to be a bit larger than a typical trucker pocket flap. Typical trucker jacket pockets are about 5" across, and about 4.5" from flap corner to bottom corner, and then about another 1" to the point at the bottom of the pocket.
Now more importantly about the pocket, most trucker jackets(in general, Levi's or not, as a LOT of companies are just trying to copy the Levi's design) have Stitching between the bottom of the pockets that runs to the hem. Levi's is in a V shape, some companies do it in other shapes.
This stitching is usually not something you could easily remove, on denim. It'd be near impossible to cleanly remove it on corduroy.
I've gone this far, I might as well write out a blurb on the other jackets as well.
The Side Hack Assn. Jacket, this one is one I haven't looked for much before now. That's because I really don't know how to search for it. It really is just a plain, olive green windbreaker, that has a couple stripes on the chest. That's it. The patch on the back is obviously aftermarket. I am about 80% sure this jacket is one of the Sears Windbreakers I showed photos of in my OP. I did buy the one from the first photo.
The only differences between mine and his seem to be the location of the stripes. As well as mine having a pocket, and his doesn't. And my collar having a yellow piping strip, where his had a white piping strip.
I'm not a seamstress. I have a few friends who are, as well as I have dealt with my local seamstresses quite a bit.(this is where my knowledge for the difficulty of corduroy sewing comes from) I think that the piping on these jackets might possibly be able to be rearranged. They seem to be sewn on independently on the back of the nylon material of the jacket. I think the nylon material, however, might be what prevents this from being possible. I have no idea how workable nylon is with sewing. I certainly hope that it's possible. If it is, that means I can have the piping rearranged into the stripes across the chest like his, and this jacket is a solved mystery. If not, then I'm still looking for a jacket that I just barely have a little more idea on how to look for than I did 2 years ago. I have no idea about the plausibility about removing the pocket.
Oh, and the patch for the jacket, that is still a mystery. There was still the one I found on Ebay a few months ago. It sold for $65. I thought that was a ridiculous price, and I didn't buy it. I regret that now, as I would have it in my arsenal, and would no longer need to look for it. There is still the guy on Etsy who is selling a patch that is extremely similar. Seems to be the same patch, but with a bit of extra text on it. The problem with his patch, is that it's only 3.5". and the largest size that he can produce is 5". I need it to be roughly 8", as a large back patch. Honestly maybe even larger, I'm not entirely sure how big it should be, or how to measure how big it should be. So far, roughly 8" is the smallest I consider for it.
The Leather Coat, This one is another very generic jacket. I think this is a trench coat?(please let me know if it's a different style of coat, I sincerely do not know.) I'd be looking for it to go to roughly mid-thigh to knee length. When I search for "vintage leather trench coat", I get some that are about that length, I also get some that go down to the calf to shin area. I don't know if trench coat is the correct term. I don't know much about big heavy coats like this at all. This jacket also has a lining in it, I think it's wool. I can't tell for sure. But it goes all the way out on the lapels, and the outside of the collar, as opposed to being confined to the insides of the jacket.
The rest of the jacket is very generic. Doesn't look to be any markings where it could have possibly been belted, and had the belt removed, but I don't know. not many photos of the back, I can only see it in a few videos. It has 2 vents on the back side, on the left and right, about where the front panel would be connected to the back I suppose. It has straps around the cuffs, instead of buttons like on a suit jacket or blazer. This is another thing that seems to come up a lot when I search for "vintage leather trench coat" The biggest defining detail on this jacket to me though, is the pocket. I actually was able to find a photo that shows the pocket empty.
The slant of the pocket is what catches my eye the most compared to other pockets.
But it looks to be a patch pocket, without a flap over it, or possibly it's tucked into the pocket, It's hard for me to make out.
Anyway, I'm hoping that some unique details like this(or on the other jackets) are what can help someone who knows more about the time periods, be able to identify it to a certain type of jacket, or brand, or purpose, anything to help narrow the searches.
I was able to find one of the boy scouts explorer shirts in my size, so that one is solved.
I lost a bit of formatting when I split the comment from this second part. Sorry if anything is missing formatting I think I fixed most of it.
Also I certainly do understand that, while Eddie Vedder wearing these jackets is my motivation to collect them, to almost anyone else, he just so happens to be the model in my photos wearing every jacket I'm looking for, and I likely do appear to just be insane.
So while he is my focal point, him being the one to wear the jackets doesn't really reflect much on the jackets, other than some sizing clues, and the fact that they were most likely thrifted, and likely produced before the 90s.
As far as anyone knows, it's certainly possible that every single jacket in this thread was custom tailored from scratch just for him. He certainly could afford to do that if he wanted.
But, knowing a bit about how he thinks and his personality in general, I very highly doubt that this is the case.
Also to tack a bit onto what Claybertrand is saying - These are my holy grail jackets, That's why I'm so hyper focused on tiny details. Same thing for that Fieldmaster I'm looking for. I just so happen to have(with help from a very helpful forum member[Idk if he's cool with me just namedropping him everywhere?]) figured out exactly what model of jacket it is that I'm looking for. But even with that, there are a couple models of the jacket that would suffice. And even more models that are missing the key details that I'm looking for.
I'm kinda just adding onto this comment rather than just making new ones.
Levi's is a great example company for this. So ever since they started doing the type III Trucker jacket, that design has stayed almost exactly the same for them to present day. This jacket design is a HUGE trend. it's been copied by a TON of different companies making trucker jackets. It's an iconic jacket, with iconic features, that are fairly easy to recognize.
That's what I'm hoping someone can spot on one of these jackets that I've posted. Surely something about these jackets was a trend at some point. Surely some specific company started that trend, and plenty of other companies may have followed, or adapted it. Maybe it was just a trend prevalent during a certain time period. Anything like that could help to identifying these jackets. Identifying the jacket helps making finding the jacket much easier.
Most of the searches I use for these jackets are very broad terms. Because it's very hard to get specific. Because most of the details that make these jackets unique, are just things 99% of people are just not going to notice or care about. Like the corduroy trucker jackets - not having stitching between the pockets and hem. It's not there. People typically won't even notice it's gone unless you tell them, or they are just comparing it to a jacket that has the stitching. There's not really anyway I can search for that. I just have to go with something generic like "corduroy trucker jacket" and visually search for ones without stitching by the photos.
^^^not a problem Jerome. I did not feel attacked nor offended. Wish i could help more. Good luck on your searches.
Why not try to contact him? I know Pearl Jam was a rather big band at the time, but with Facebook, etc as mediums perhaps he’d take an interest to your rather unique query in a message. You may be surprised. He may remember (or still have) those pieces.
It's certainly possible he might still have a couple of these somewhere. He definitely did have a knack for keeping up with his clothing, and wearing it for at least 10 years(I think that about 13 years is the longest I've seen him occasionally wear the same piece, though I know he kept the pinkpop shirt for 21, and wore it again in 2013, but I can't think of any other times he ever wore that shirt besides 1992, and then once for pinkpop 2013.)
Now Eddie's memory of the 90s as a whole is a bit of a blur, you can tell by the way he will tell stories, he'll frequently mix up the years. Kinda just like how anyone's memory goes, I certainly can't distinguish my own life from about 2006-2013. All those memories kinda just mix together. I imagine it's roughly the same for him, he was definitely drunk a LOT in the 90s.
So it'd be a bit of a stretch for him to remember some of the pieces he didn't wear as much, like the leather coat, or the windbreaker. The green corduroy jacket as well. But the other corduroy jacket and shirt he wore for years, so definitely possible he might would remember them.
But... This is kind of something Ed sorta despises. He's written a few songs about it. Basically it's sort of idolizing the musician instead of the music. I am definitely guilty of this. No doubt about that. As much as I love the music, I always find that I love the man behind it more. While these jackets are a bit because he wore them, I do genuinely really really like the style of them, I wouldn't be interested in them if I didn't. So it might not be a great idea to really ask him about it. But yes I admit, it could certainly be worth a try. I'll shoot him a message on his personal Instagram account. I doubt if I'll get a response at all, though. Doesn't seem like much of the Social Media type, though he does post occasionally.
I could also possibly write him a letter, I think that would be a better chance of receiving a response, though may still not quite be the response that I like.
Be interested to hear how you get on with Eddie Jerome. He always comes across as a decent kind of fella, you never know yer luck.
I believe that at a certain point in becoming famous most singers /groups employ ‘Wardrobe Mistresses/Masters” ie prop buyers etc. Maybe you could try to research who sourced his gear and make contact?
Hey Guys still looking
I don't think bumping this thread every week will yield more answers. It'll be the same 50/100 guys seeing this same post over and over again.
Just my two cents.
I think that's probably a fair assessment, Marc, and the clothing requested here isn't really a focus on this site.
Yep..pretty sure he's wasting his time here.
I understand what you are saying Marc.
However not bumping means really the only people who would see the thread are people who are looking for the thread.
Which is not very many, clearly.
My expectations are set. This is a VERY niche thing. I understand that. I wish I knew better places to look for this sort of thing.
Until I do however, it takes me about 2 minutes a week to bump this post, and that puts it back onto the front page for this forum, and if someone happens to recognize something, they could potentially help. And typically, when that doesn't happen, it fades back into obscurity within a day or two, for the rest of the week.