Indiana Jones V

Discussion in 'The Moving Picture' started by Tiki Tom, Feb 26, 2016.

  1. Since my last post I've found some photos online of Banderas and Ford on-set in Sicily with Phoebe Waller-Bridge, and Banderas appears to be playing some kind of boat captain or fisherman.
     
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  2. Tiki Tom

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    I tend to like Banderas. Maybe this is a hopeful indication that the movie will be alright. Too early to tell, of course. My main concern is that the movie has gone through so many writers that the script might be a muddled mess by now.
     
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    Possibly a Simon Katanga type character - though with a name as big as Banderas, I would expect him to perhaps have a bit more screen time than the good Captain Katanga.

    I'm somewhat hopeful that Waller-Bridge (an outstanding writer in her own right) has had some input there, even if only to her own scenes. I remain hopeful overall, but I didn't determinedly hate Crystal Skull the way some do, so. I think time travel would be a bit of a hard one for me to swallow (aliens, God's wrath coming out of a box, ,magic stones and eight hundred year old knights notwithstanding), but I've not seen anything to substantiate that rumour as of yet. I plan to go into it hoping for a Force Awakens rather than a Solo (or, Heaven help us all, a Phantom Attack of the Sith).
     
  4. The only project I've "seen" Phoebe Waller-Bridge in was Solo, and she was so completely obscured by her "costume" that I can't honestly say I've actually seen her in anything, so I really have absolutely no concept of her as an actor. The prevalent rumor on other forums regarding her is that Disney is seriously considering making her the next Indiana Jones but, of course, everyone who might have any information in that regard must remain silent, so...

    Of the four existing Indiana Jones movies, Crystal Skull is third on my personal list of "most favorite" (Raiders of the Lost Ark) to "least favorite" (Temple of Doom). I didn't hate it as much as many did but, just like almost every other fan of the franchise, I have my own list of what I perceive to be it's flaws. Considering all of the not-so-good news and rumors about IJ5, at this point I'll be surprised if it's better than Crystal Skull.
     
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    She's best known in the UK for Fleabag (a sort of sitcom with real depth), though Solo made her a breakout. I thought she was one of the real high points in that largely dire outing (Disney's one *big* misfire in their Star Wars tenure imo, though nowhere near as awful as Lucas' prequel trilogy). I'm not sure how I'd feel about her taking over the franchise as it were, though if Disney are going to make other, non-Jones pictures in the Jones universe, she'd be a solid lead on which to base it. If what we know so far is correct and she's based in the late sixties that would be a very different direction than the pre-Kennedy Indy stuff. Which doesn't of course rule out it being good, but different times.

    Interesting you put it ahead of Temple; I have it dead equal. I agree that they are the weakest of the bunch, though that said I don't think they're bad as such, just that Raiders and Crusade are so close to perfect. I have a lot of affection for Temple because it was the first Indy picture I saw (I was closing in on ten when it hit the cinema in Summer of 84; Raiders I didn't see until it was the big Christmas Day film on television later that same year. Funny thing about Temple is that while it's definitely not up to the same standard as Crusade which followed it, every time I rewatch it it's always somehow much better than I remember it being. Especially the kid: that's actually quite an interesting study in how Shortround reflects Jones who, at that point in his life, is less a father figure and more treats Shortround as a sidekick. Even before he knows Mutt is his in Skull, he treats him with much more maturity, aware of their age and experience gap, than he does Shortround. Throw in the relationship with his own father in Crusade (Connery's career-finest, imo, a more nuanced performance than Goldfinger by far, a role that really called for a very deft comic touch the big man delivered in spades), and it makes for a very interesting pictures of Jones as a man in the 'flawed but trying to be good' end of things.

    In truth, my biggest reservation about 5 is that much of it will be set in the latter Sixties; for me, Jones is entirely a man of the pre-Kennedy assassination era. That said, if they recognise that by then the relic hunter himself is a relic in this new era, that can work. Guess we'll just have to see.
     
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  6. If you think Solo is Disney's one big misfire in their treatment of the Star Wars franchise, you're far more generous than I am; I think the only movie they got even close to right so far is Rogue One. But then, I was in the theater in May of 1977 when Star Wars (before the episode numbers and subtitles) opened here in the States and I loved it from the moment the crawl started.

    I've mentioned it here on The Lounge before, but I have never liked Temple of Doom for primarily one reason--Willie Scott. I cannot stand that character and her incessant screaming and whining; she just ruins the movie for me. To be clear, I don't blame Kate Capshaw for this; she was cast to play a role, and she did the best she could with Lucas' terrible writing and Spielberg's apparent lack of judgement as director. I like Ford's performance (though it seems Indy had lost a lot of IQ points to fall for Willie) and Ke Huy Quan as Short Round, but those are pretty much the only things I like about Temple of Doom. I thought it was an extremely weak follow-up to Raiders (sorry, prequel), and was very pleased that Last Crusade was as good as it was.
     
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    Zombie, you should definitely check out Fleabag on Amazon Prime: I've watched it twice and am nearly ready for another go-round. It's a hoot, and writer/star Waller-Bridge is indeed prodigiously talented.

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    Quickies: Star Wars - Though I've seen them all, I haven't really liked ANY film since Empire. I could care less where this franchise goes from here. Indiana Jones - Honestly, I've given up hope of the next film being anything other than a cash-grab embarrassment like the SW flicks. I hope I'm wrong, I love Indy, but minus Lucas and Spielberg it already feels pretty damn ersatz.
     
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    Perhaps the prequels rather lowered my standards... ;) Rogue One, though, is for me arguably the single best film of the entire franchise. Over and above the original Star Wars. I got into the franchise via the toys and comic book / 'book of the film' stuff in the days before home video was a common thing. Saw the first film on TV in early 1983, Jedi was my 9th birthday outing, and then I finally saw Empire in around 1987 when it was first on British TV. I lost faith when Greedo shot first, and I hated the prequels so much I've been describing myself as an "ex-Star Wars fan" since 1999. That hasn't changed - I have zero interest in see the Mandalorian, at least until it comes to a platform to which I already subscribe - but the Disney films were mostly entertaining to me. The final trilogy one was disappointing because it rolled back in fear at a lot of the backlash against the more interesting elements of the second film. How they treated the character of Rose was appalling. Big props though to Last Jedi for making Luke Skywalker actually interesting for the first time - and make choices of his own.

    She was an odd contrast to Marion. Maybe that's one of the reasons they made it a prequel - they thought she wouldn't be his post-Marion type. On the other hand, if he'd run away from marrying Marion, in 1937 he might only have been looking for a fling with a dumb blonde. It would of course have made far more sense for her to have been a noir-style femme fatale and nightclub singer, but hey ho.
     
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  9. We don't have Amazon Prime and, for a number of reasons, have no plans on signing up any time soon. I'm not opposed to the idea, it's just not in the cards for us at the moment. But I'll keep it in mind in case things change.

    I've liked things about each movie in the "episodic" Star Wars saga, but I agree that after Empire everything started going downhill. That said, I still haven't seen The Rise of Skywalker so, assuming that'll be the end of that part of the story, I still don't know how it all ends.

    I'm a little older than you are, so I was there opening day in May of 1977 to see Star Wars (Episode IV, A New Hope, however you refer to it) and I loved it from the moment the fanfare played over the first title card. As good as Empire is, I firmly maintain A New Hope is the better movie for one simple reason--it's the only movie in the "Skywalker Saga" that tells a nearly complete story. For every other movie, including Empire, you have to have seen either the one before or the one after (or both) in order to have a complete understanding of the story, the characters and their motivations, and so on. And, yes, I understand that's by design--A New Hope had to be a "stand alone" movie because they didn't know whether or not there would be any prequels or sequels on the day it premiered. But my argument still stands. :D I haven't seen any of Disney's "streaming" Star Wars content for the reason I gave to Doctor Strange above--we haven't subscribed to that and, for the time being, don't plan to--so I can't comment.

    And while I'm here and on the subject (sort of), George Lucas and everyone involved needs to line up and take turns kissing my backside for the abomination that is the "Special Edition" movies. As a storyteller Mr. Lucas should know better than to continue tinkering after the finished product has been accepted and deemed a success by the general public. All he did was ruin an already near-perfect product.

    All of that being said, I'd put Rogue One right up there with A New Hope as a contender for best Star Wars movie so far.

    Dumb blonde? Fine. Fling? Fine. But she really didn't need to over-react at every little thing; again, I blame Lucas and Spielberg, not Miss Capshaw. Apart from that, I also thought the story was somewhat weak and that the Sankara stones were a poor choice for the MacGuffin of the movie because no one I know had ever heard of them before that movie, so their "importance" was mostly lost on people in this part of the world. Now, I'm not saying Indy should constantly chase after Christian artifacts, but in my opinion they needed to do a better job of explaining why those stones were so important because they seemed to matter only to that small Indian village. Please don't get me started on the whole "Crystal Skull" thing. :confused:
     
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    I think that's a very fair point; sometimes (rarely) a sequel can be as good as or better than an original, but there's a lot to be said for a standalone story. When the Secret Cinema folks did a Star Wars theme, they actually screened Empire and I remember wondering whether that was the best choice. They did, however, sell out many nights at £80 odds a ticket, so I guess they were dealing with a hardcore fanbase there.

    Rogue felt very much to me like a return to the original feel, stripped of all the cod-spirituality and pompousness the franchise had developed. I particularly liked that they let heroes die, there was a sense of 'reality', consequence and purpose to it that Solo lacked entirely.

    It's going to be interesting what they choose this time round. My best guess is still the Spear of Destiny. With Willie, I have a feeling she was supposed to be the traditional 'Bond girl' part of the Bond end of the concept...

    Shamefully, and much to my shock, when Indiana Jones was a subject on the Pointless quiz show here in the UK, Kate Capshaw was a big scorer and yet Karen Allen was a pointless answer. Marion would have eaten Willie for breakfast.
     
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