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My new (old) ELC RW B-6

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So at last, I can present my new (old) ELC RW B-6 to you all …

I’d had an ELC B-6 (in seal brown) some years ago, but it was a size 40 and was a titch too tight on the chest for me, and so it was moved on – but I always thought I’d like another but in a size 42, just like my ELC RW B-3, so I could comfortably wear a thick wool sweater beneath one – but since I bought my ELC RW B-3 in 2006, the style of leather had changed and I’d seen/felt them at the ELC QM tent at RAF Duxford and I just wasn’t a fan at all; I knew that what I’d ideally want would be an ELC B-6 but made around the same time as my B-3, but I knew that anything from that time would be well-worn by now and what’d be the point in that? Realistically, the odds now of finding what I wanted were so ridiculously small that I gave it no more thought …. And the years passed by.

So I was looking at eBay earlier this Summer and, on this particular day, I saw a superb ELC RW B-6 made around 2006 (!) in a size 42 (!!) and virtually unworn condition (!!!). It looked exactly like the RW B-6 in my battered old copy of The Golden Book :dance:- except this one had grey RiRi zips (?!?) and an odd-looking makers label that looked rather modern (?!?) – not like The Golden Book at all. Hmmm. It was for sale at 400 GBP but offers were invited.
I watched it – and it failed to sell.
So then I contacted the seller and asked about the odd zips and label and how they possibly came to be, as I know that ELC don’t entertain alterations. I said that, although I liked the look of the Ri-Ri zips and I thought they looked the part, they weren’t appropriate to the jacket proper.
The seller kindly sent me some more photos and told me that he knew nothing of these things; he was selling the jacket on behalf of a friend – the jacket had belonged to her dear departed husband and they’d both bought ELC jackets from a store in London to drive their AC Cobra (she had chosen an ELC Irvin – in the original semi-gloss finish!), but their jackets had been barely worn as they simply hadn’t done the driving they’d intended to do and then he’d sadly become ill and passed away. Now these unworn jackets were both up for sale and the B-6 hadn’t reached the 400 Pounds that she’d wanted – she’d said that they’d cost nearer a grand each (!!) and none of the offers on the B-6 had exceeded 350 quid. More than that, he couldn’t say.

So I contacted Gary at ELC and sent him a few of the photos from the seller and asked about the zips and label and if they could be switched back to the current spec. and he gladly offered up some extra info – that yes, the jackets were made in 2007 for a store in Notting Hill (Bamford & Sons) and they’d specified the Ri-Ri zips and label as they wanted something a bit more “fashionable” and more modern (as they weren't so interested in the wartime history aspect of the jacket), and ELC had duly obliged - and Gary said that they could be switched back to the regular spec. Crown zips and Rough Wear label for 75 Pounds plus P&P. This price also included the making and fitting of a leather name tag (in as dark a leather as possible at my specific request) – as the jacket was changing ownership, I wanted to put my stamp on it, so to speak – by having my name on it.

So I explained to the seller that, bearing in mind the extra costs of mailing the jacket to ELC plus the alterations, plus Air Mail to me here, I offered 375 – and I got it ! Talk about making my day - I was dancing !

The ELC alterations were managed by Alan, who did a brilliant job and he was a pleasure to deal with. The jacket was turned around in 24 hours from its arrival on a Monday and it arrived by the same week’s end ! It’s sat on a hangar all this time until just a few weeks ago and now it’s in its element.
And here it is:


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The fit is perfect and it’s just right for the cool Autumn days. The Crown zips perform perfectly and you’d have to scrutinize to the Nth degree to know the work was ever done.
The only other thing to mention is that the jacket has an extra label inside in the seam, which you can clearly see on the open shot of the jacket lying down – and it’s rather modern and has a JCB logo and states modern things like “100% leather” and “Made In England” and “Specialist Dry Clean Only”. I asked Alan what JCB, a company that I associate diggers and earth-movers with, has to do with leather clothing - and his answer was rather opaque for me, but really, it wasn’t any of my business and I didn’t ask for further clarification.
I’ve enclosed close-ups for you to see this label as I think it’s quite a curiosity. But I really don’t care that it’s there – the jacket’s a real gem of a find and that’s that.

I mentioned to Worf last week that I don’t usually wear my ELC RW B-2 (2006) with it as it can “look a bit matchy-matchy” – and I had my pal take a few photos of me in the combo to prove my point – except now I see it for myself here, I think it actually looks quite alright !! “Never say never”, as they say …!
Sorry for the strange purple tint to the final photos. Can’t explain that.

Below are the photos of the way the jacket looked before I got it, plus close-ups of the of JCB label and makers label that was replaced for a Rough Wear type.
 

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That's about as good a fit you'll ever see! Nice looking jacket too. With the hat, etc. it's smashing. Well done - good pics! I've seen people spend 3x as much and never look as good.
 

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Great jacket and an interesting story! The B-6 is a stylish jacket, and it's a confirmed fact that I am a huge fan of the B-6!
 

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Wonderful jacket you have there with a pretty much perfect fit on you. I have this very vague memory floating around the fog in my brain that there was some connection between ELC and JCB. I can't remember any hard facts but something about ELC making some jackets for some of the higher ups at JCB. I seem to think that I've seen one labeled just like yours is somewhere else. Not really very informative of me I know but I'd thought I'd throw it out there.
 

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Many thanks to each of you for the kind compliments, fellas - I really appreciate it - and for the vote of confidence on the B-6/B-2 combo ! I know. Who knew ?!
I must admit, I've always felt tempted, for those few weeks in Winter when the snow and ice finally gets the better of my metal-studded tyres and my inherant sense of safety/mortality to get me off the mountain bike and on to the subway, to ride with the B-6 and B-2 combo - but to complete the look, to put a pair of Grado headphones over the B-2 cap! With their retro look (and apparently they're very good too), I can't help but think they'd look flippin' amazing! Ha!Ha!Ha!
 

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Edward

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Crackin' jacket. I fancy a redskin B6 eventually, though it's back in the queue behind a bunch of others... I can see it being ideal at this time of year when most days are tool cool for a regular leather, but too hot for a week or two yet for the full-on B3...

I must look into those headphones. I tend to prefer easily-pocketed, in-ear types most of the time, but I've been toying with the idea of something a bit bigger, with something of a retro vibe for using at home, or on planes or whatever. Those have a nice look (I'd previously considered trying to cannibalise a non-functioning vintage pair with modern guts...).
 

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Yes it looks a great jacket, fancy one myself but would it be possible to make it in B3 thickness? Or would that be too thick for the action back and cuffs?
As for the headphone, once upon a time everything was getting smaller, now it's getting larger again I was wondering will we see the resurgence of the Ghetto Blaster :eeek:
 

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The Grado line of headphones got 5-star reviews when they broke on to the audiophile scene some years ago - and a friend who loves fine hi-fi raved about his.
So that said, I tried a pair on - and I found them to be immediately uncomfortable as they squashed my ears, so I went for something comfier. But that's just me. Other reviews I've seen sometimes make mention of this, so do try a pair on before you buy (say, on-line).
But they apparently are great at what they do and totally look the part for around here !
 
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Many thanks to each of you for the kind compliments, fellas - I really appreciate it - and for the vote of confidence on the B-6/B-2 combo ! I know. Who knew ?!
I must admit, I've always felt tempted, for those few weeks in Winter when the snow and ice finally gets the better of my metal-studded tyres and my inherant sense of safety/mortality to get me off the mountain bike and on to the subway, to ride with the B-6 and B-2 combo - but to complete the look, to put a pair of Grado headphones over the B-2 cap! With their retro look (and apparently they're very good too), I can't help but think they'd look flippin' amazing! Ha!Ha!Ha!

We're a Grado and AKG house. Great cans, and they have a good range of prices too.
The 80i is a great set at a good price. My son and wife use those.
I have a pair of the Grado RS2i at a good price from a studio guy. Love the look and sound, but they're also comfortable over time - which is important.
You could rock those with the outfit for sure!
 
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The Grado line of headphones got 5-star reviews when they broke on to the audiophile scene some years ago - and a friend who loves fine hi-fi raved about his.
So that said, I tried a pair on - and I found them to be immediately uncomfortable as they squashed my ears, so I went for something comfier. But that's just me. Other reviews I've seen sometimes make mention of this, so do try a pair on before you buy (say, on-line).
But they apparently are great at what they do and totally look the part for around here !

Comfort in headphones is totally a personal thing. So I rarely listen to what people say about this bit. Only way to know what works for you is to try them. I am partial though to BlueTooth headphones for bedtime. They're light and no cords. I use Sennheiser for that and my iPhone/iPad.
 

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Yes it looks a great jacket, fancy one myself but would it be possible to make it in B3 thickness? Or would that be too thick for the action back and cuffs?
As for the headphone, once upon a time everything was getting smaller, now it's getting larger again I was wondering will we see the resurgence of the Ghetto Blaster :eeek:

When I received my very first ELC Irvin, after having worn my Irvin by Aviation Leathercraft for some 18 years, I called ELC (in all ignorance) asking why it was unexpectedly thinner and lighter than what I was used to - but I remarked that I really noticed and liked the superior tailoring on the ELC Irvin.
Alan explained that they could offer better tailoring because the fleece was thinner. He explained that the A. L'craft Irvin was not like the originals were and was too thick - "It's like thick lagging on a water tank, and you can't tailor that thickness of material well to make it fit properly. But you can tailor it to fit the tank better if it's thinner".
That was what he said to me in 2005 and it made sense to me and I haven't forgotten it. So I imagine that tailoring a bi-swing back in a heftier 3/4" fleece wouldn't be possible ...?

And vinyl's definitely making something of a comeback!
 

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We're a Grado and AKG house. Great cans, and they have a good range of prices too.
The 80i is a great set at a good price. My son and wife use those.
I have a pair of the Grado RS2i at a good price from a studio guy. Love the look and sound, but they're also comfortable over time - which is important.
You could rock those with the outfit for sure!

There you go, you see. People love Grado cans ! I know they're very good. Alas, they just didn't fit me well ...
But it's been a good while since I tried them - so maybe I should give another pair a try. After all, I do need a new pair after our Rottweiler used my Beyerdynamics as a chew toy one afternoon! <sob!> <sob!> Because you're right - they'd look fantastic! :)
 
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There you go, you see. People love Grado cans ! I know they're very good. Alas, they just didn't fit me well ...
But it's been a good while since I tried them - so maybe I should give another pair a try. After all, I do need a new pair after our Rottweiler used my Beyerdynamics as a chew toy one afternoon! <sob!> <sob!> Because you're right - they'd look fantastic! :)

lol - I've bought and flipped many a pair of cans over fit. Luckily, you can usually recover your money if they're a good set in good shape. I dislike hats, headphones, etc. to begin with so for me, comfort is the #1 thing.
You can also stake the plunge on forums/ebay/craigslist if you get a good deal as it's hard to find some of these brands in stores to try.
 

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Good points ... but in my case, I thought it would be difficult to flip a set of Beyerdynamics when some parts were in a poop bag ...!

I took a photo this morning of my ELC RW B-6 (2007) next to its big brother, the ELC RW B-3 (2006) ... I love the rich sheen and texture of the sheepskin on these. I've added two more images of the back panel of the B-6 to give you a close-up of it - you can see a dark striation that runs from one panel and continues to the next - nicely matched up! I think it's a real shame that ELC doesn't make them like this anymore ...
And I also include one of the new label too for completion's sake that I forgot to do earlier.
 

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Smithy

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Pardon my French but sh1t a brick that's a bloody beauty!

THE perfect fit and the colour is awesome.

One of ELC's gems.
 

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Pardon my French but sh1t a brick that's a bloody beauty!

THE perfect fit and the colour is awesome.

One of ELC's gems.

Thanks Smithy! :)

My only remaining thought now is whether to add a couple of fine patches or not ..? Hmmm. Decisions, decisions .... :)
 

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I don't think patches were as common on the sheepskin jackets, but I defer to others with more knowledge than myself!
 

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