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Oumuamua

Discussion in 'The Observation Bar' started by Tiki Tom, Dec 12, 2017.

  1. Lean'n'mean

    Lean'n'mean Call Me a Cab

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    I didn't suggest humanity had no imagination just that it is limited in what it can conceive.....just as we created gods in our own image we also create aliens too that resemble us & travel in space ships that we can recognize as such because we can't imagine extraterrestrials acting any differently from what we would do.

    I don't deny that there are probably other forms of life in the universe either, given the quantity of planets & suns out there, statistically there must be other planets that are propitious to creating & supporting biological life & no doubt other life or energy forms exist that we just can't begin to imagine.

    What I am sceptical about though, is alien visitation on earth. Our conceit drives us to believe that any intelligent alien life would try to contact us because we too are intelligent & interesting enough to warrent such a visit.

    Any aliens capable of long distance space travel wouldn't be a "couple of thousand years more advanced than us".....they would be more advanced than us ( & completely different from us) as a species, period. We also too readily presume that any 'intelligent' or advanced alien life forms would naturally be space explorers......yet another anthropomorphism.
     
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  2. Benny Holiday

    Benny Holiday Call Me a Cab

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    Nah I don't buy it. The distance between stars is simply too great for any material civilization to traverse. No matter how clever or 'advanced' your technology, the laws of physics puts the kibosh on the idea.
     
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  3. Tiki Tom

    Tiki Tom Practically Family

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    Well, the first analysis of data collected from Oumuamua is in: no dice. No signs of any activity. The odds were very long to begin with and as one observer wrote “maybe that is actually good news.”

    https://www.space.com/39100-interstellar-object-oumuamua-alien-life-search.html

    But almost in the same news-cycle, reports have come out that the Pentagon and the CIA have recently been running a top secret investigation into anomalous aerial phenomena. This will send conspiracy theorists into a frenzy because, for year, we’ve been told that the government suspended study of the subject decades ago.

    https://www.salon.com/2017/12/16/pentagon-buried-budget-details-of-ufo-investigation/

    http://www.newsweek.com/aliens-ufos-pentagon-search-program-750494

    The second article references an event in 2004 when F/A-18 fighters had an encounter with a UFO off the coast of San Diego...

    https://hotair.com/archives/2017/12/16/video-navy-pilots-encountered-strange-object-faster-fa-18/

    Yikes. If it turns out that this is Russian or Chinese technology, that is still a cause for concern.

    And everyone seems to agree that the Pentagon study is on-going, although no longer funded. (Which, to me, says the funding and project have been moved/redesigned somewhere else in that huge shell game known as defense spending. But maybe I am now the one sounding like a conspiracy nut.)

    Even if a person is not particularly conspiracy-minded, it is not out of line to wonder what is going on and why. That’s a lot of money to be spending on something that is usually dismissed as not worth serious study. Would senator Harry Reid really have the power to include such a line item, and create an entire project, based on a purely personal whim? I don’t know.

    Where are Scully and Mulder when we need them?
     
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  4. Tiki Tom

    Tiki Tom Practically Family

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    Alloys?! Whiskey Tango Foxtrot?

    https://hotair.com/archives/2017/12/19/lot-ny-times-ufo-story-last-week/

    Quote from article:

    But here’s the icing on the cake from the article. Now that you’re up to speed on Bigelow’s background, if you bothered to scroll all the way down to the end of that lengthy New York Times article, you may have noticed this small item. (Emphasis added)​

    Under Mr. Bigelow’s direction, the company modified buildings in Las Vegas for the storage of metal alloys and other materials that Mr. Elizondo and program contractors said had been recovered from unidentified aerial phenomena.​

    Excuse me, but… what? What sort of “metal alloys and other materials” did you recover from these unidentified aerial phenomena? And how was that not the biggest, screaming headline out of the article? It’s one thing to say that your agency has been reviewing films of strange lights in the sky and speedy blips on your radar. But you supposedly have recovered physical, material evidence from them?​
     
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  6. Zombie_61

    Zombie_61 I'll Lock Up

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  7. GHT

    GHT I'll Lock Up

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    Sir Isaac Newton first presented his three laws of motion in the "Principia Mathematica Philosophiae Naturalis" in 1686. His first law states that every object remains at rest or in uniform motion in a straight line unless compelled to change its state by the action of an external force. This is normally taken as the definition of inertia. The key point here is that if there is no net force resulting from unbalanced forces acting on an object (if all the external forces cancel each other out), then the object maintains a constant velocity. If that velocity is zero, then the object remains at rest. And if an additional external force is applied, the velocity changes because of the force.

    Read the end of that last sentence again: "The velocity changes because of the force."
    He doesn't define force, but now we know, he mean't police force.
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  8. scottyrocks

    scottyrocks I'll Lock Up

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