Stetson block profile numbers

Discussion in 'Hats' started by Joshbru3, Feb 17, 2012.

  1. tonyb

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    They sent you guys home with blocks? Wow, such a wonderful souvenir, and such a gracious gesture. Am I correct in assuming that these blocks are of fairly recent manufacture?
     
  2. RBH

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    Here is one photo I found.

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  3. Joshbru3

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    Vic, THANKS SO MUCH for posting these tags. The hats they are associated with are spectacular!
     
  4. Joshbru3

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    Well, I collect pre-1940's hats, so the only post-1940's hats that I own I wear for daily use. I have gotten them from ebay, etsy, antique stores, and lounger trades/purchases.
     
  5. Joshbru3

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    WOW! Just incredible, Alan! I love that hat. Thanks so much for posting the tag.
     
  6. Joshbru3

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    From everything that I have read, I believe that Stetson did make their blocks in house. I have also read that it was common practice in the 20's & 30's for Stetson to give their old blocks to their employees to use as firewood during the winter months. I'm sure thousands of Stetson blocks met their demise in the fiery cavities of fireplaces. I have to wonder though if some survived. I would imagine there must be some out there, but I highly doubt that Stetson ever put their name on any of the early blocks. If they were produced in house and were only meant to be used in house, its doubtful that if any blocks escaped unburned that we would ever know they are Stetson blocks without the block numbers. I've see numerous blocks with the hatters warehouse or supply company stamp, but never one with a stetson logo. Because they were not meant for re-sale, why would they stamp them? I have seen 1 flange stamped "Stratoliner." I have to believe this was from the 40's and this is the only one I have ever seen stamped with a Stetson model name.

    These re-order tags are such a wealth of information and unfortunately after going through all 30+ pages of the pre-1940's hat thread, many people who posted their hats did not included the tag. Its my hope that one of us will stumble upon a Stetson log book or key that says what these blocks are. For now, we have the numbers, and heights. Also from looking at pictures of open crowned hats, IF they were not re-blocked, we can get a good idea of similarity in runs of hats. For example. I have seen several early playboys with a 123 block tag. They have the same crown shape and height, so I would assume this was THE Playboy block for the early ones. It would be wonderful to find one!
     
  7. Joshbru3

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    Thanks, Steve! The several 322 block tags that I have seen are 5 1/2. Do you have a picture of your 322 block?
     
  8. Joshbru3

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    They are pretty recent, but they were blocks that Stetson/Resistol didn't use any more.
     
  9. alanfgag

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    Later than yours, but still 123 into the late 1930s:

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  10. Joshbru3

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    That's a great picture. One of my favorites! Thanks for posting it, Rusty!
     
  11. Joshbru3

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    Awesome! This just furthers my theory that even though Stetson had different hat models that had crowns that were 5 1/2, 5 5/8, 5 3/4, etc, that there was a reason for using different block numbers for the different series even if both series of hats had 5 1/2 inch open crowns for example. Each block is different in the sloping of the shoulders, top flatness, etc. Thanks for posting this, Alan!
     
  12. mayserwegener

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    Here you go. It looks like the maker mark is S.M. MUND. I found this at an antique mall just south of Kansas City.

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    I did some Googling and found the company was named S.M. Mund Hatter's Supplies (Samuel M. Mund Saint Joseph, MO). Also found he was a hatter from Austria (now Poland).
     
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  13. Joshbru3

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    UPDATED LIST (Effective 02-20-2011, 11:37am Central time)

    (Block Used: 17, Labeled Height: 5 7/8)
    (Block Used: 123, Labeled Height: 5 1/2)
    (Block Used: 161, Labeled Height: 5 1/2)
    (Block Used: 217, Labeled Height: 5 3/4)
    (Block used: 322, Labeled Height: 5 1/2)
    (Block used: 424, Labeled Height: 4 3/4)
    (Block used: 424, Labeled Height: 4 3/8)
    (Block Used: 427, Labeled Height: 5 5/8)
    (Block Used: 494, Labeled Height: 6)
    (Block used: 522, Labeled Height: 5)
    (Block used: 522 1/2, Labeled Height: 5 1/8)
    (Block Used: 578, Labeled Height: 5 5/8)
    (Block Used: 592, Labeled Height: 5)
    (Block Used: 729, Labeled Height: 5 5/8)
    (Block Used: 736, Labeled Height: 5 3/4)
    (Block used: 762, Labeled Height: 5 1/2)
    (Block Used: 788, Labeled Height: 5 5/8)
     
  14. Joshbru3

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    Wonderful Steve, thanks for posting this! Even though the block is clearly marked that its not Stetson, the profile of this block is very similar to the hat that Vic posted. Very Straight sided, flat topped block. I have to wonder if the Stetson block numbers were actually proprietary or if the numbers were an established numbering system based on shape and profile by hatters supply companies.
     
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  16. Joshbru3

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    Ebay pics-NOT MINE

    Even though we have seen this block number before, this is the second derby to have it. Seems to be a reoccurring pattern. :)

    (Block used: 522 1/2, Labeled Height: 5 1/8)

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  17. Good research, guys!
     
  18. alanfgag

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    1920s Nutria Western/ Block 406/ 7" depth

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  19. Joshbru3

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    Thanks so much for posting this, Alan!!!!
     
  20. Joshbru3

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    UPDATED LIST (Effective 03-05-2012, 12:10pm Central time)

    (Block Used: 17, Labeled Height: 5 7/8)
    (Block Used: 123, Labeled Height: 5 1/2)
    (Block Used: 161, Labeled Height: 5 1/2)
    (Block Used: 217, Labeled Height: 5 3/4)
    (Block used: 322, Labeled Height: 5 1/2)
    (Block Used: 406, Labeled Height: 7)
    (Block used: 424, Labeled Height: 4 3/4)
    (Block used: 424, Labeled Height: 4 5/8)
    (Block Used: 427, Labeled Height: 5 5/8)
    (Block Used: 494, Labeled Height: 6)
    (Block used: 522, Labeled Height: 5)
    (Block used: 522 1/2, Labeled Height: 5 1/8)
    (Block Used: 578, Labeled Height: 5 5/8)
    (Block Used: 592, Labeled Height: 5)
    (Block Used: 729, Labeled Height: 5 5/8)
    (Block Used: 736, Labeled Height: 5 3/4)
    (Block used: 762, Labeled Height: 5 1/2)
    (Block Used: 788, Labeled Height: 5 5/8)
     
    Last edited: Mar 5, 2012

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