Toppers Unite

Discussion in 'Hats' started by Garrett, Feb 17, 2009.

  1. mayserwegener

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    Those are the photos,my package was stil delivered by my nation postal courier[/QUOTE]
    I have this on my website for Carl Sick Bremen, Vienna Exhibition 1873, Collective Exhibition of German Hat Manufacturers, Berlin listed but no details.

    https://germanaustrianhats.invision...anufacturers-berlin/?tab=comments#comment-921

    I found this other Carl Silk Top Hat. There is another name listed (Johann Wilhelm Groos) so probably this person took over the company post Carl Silk.

    https://www.ebay.de/itm/Carl-Sick-Bremen-Zylinder-Hut-Kopfumfang-ca-53cm-/193106967433

    Your Silk Top Hat also has Johann Wilhelm Groos listed on the sweatband. I think both hats are from about the same time period (probably 1930s) but I couldn't find any production information. It's likely the Silk Top Hats were sourced by J.W. Groos which might have been retailer or wholesaler. The number of companies that made Silk Top Hats became very limited (lack of demand, lack of Silk Plush, lack skilled workers).

    I did find Carl Sick in this 1904 Bremen address book but the company is located a Obrenstras. 72 and not the later J.W. Groos address Obrenstras. 68 - 70. It's more likely the company was making Silk Top Hats at this time.

    http://adressbuecher.net/addressboo...3?max=25&sort=address&offset=20275&order=desc
     
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  2. Koechinggendoet

    Koechinggendoet Familiar Face

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    Thank You mayserwegener for the info!
    And finally my hat arrive
     

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  3. Koechinggendoet

    Koechinggendoet Familiar Face

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    I do some polishing with a water method and a velvet fabrics from my dressing gown sahs
    Also could you translate this note here?
     

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  4. Koechinggendoet

    Koechinggendoet Familiar Face

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    The hat box seem quite beat up
    And thank gods it fits me well except sometimes its sliding to my ears
     

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  5. Steve1857

    Steve1857 I'll Lock Up

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    I couldn't agree more, Steve.

     
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  6. Koechinggendoet

    Koechinggendoet Familiar Face

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    Yep,better crying now than crying later,and if you could idahosanta,you could send us a photo of you wearing the hat!
     
  7. mayserwegener

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    Congrats! It looks great! For a better fit you can place felt spacers behind the sweatband. Just be careful because some of the thread securing the sweatband is missing.
     
  8. Koechinggendoet

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    Thankyou!but what is a felt spacer?i sometimes only slip a piece of tissue so it can be taken out again after use and soaked in sweats
     
  9. Steve1857

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    Use cork or felt instead of tissue.

     
  10. Steve1857

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    The note tells the owner to store the hat in the box as in your photo. Brim down. I have a similar box: see attached photo.

     

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    Mean Eyed Matt Practically Family

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    Just as a small addition:
    The "Jnh." on the sweat and the box is an "Inh." which stands for "Inhaber" = owner.
    So the company "Carl Sick" was actually - as Steve said - later taken over by a Wilhelm Groos.
     
  13. Koechinggendoet

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    Ah thanks for the info,many of other carl sick hat were have the addition of johann
     
  14. Koechinggendoet

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    Note taken,i think my forehead becomed so pushed and a little bit stuffed using an tissue inside,must really get an cork or felt then
     
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  15. mayserwegener

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    Matt, Thanks! Tricked by the J / I. :)
     
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  16. Mean Eyed Matt

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    You're welcome, Steve!
    This ruse worked for me first too... ;)
     
  17. Steve1857

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    I was much more interested in the hat box than the hat, however, the hat turned out to be interesting, too.

    It's a very small size. Moleskin. I so wish I could find out who was behind the Hat Manufactory in London company.

    It has a leather sweat, which is not uncommon, but unusual for a top hat. The logo imprinted in the sweat says Jockey Club. The rest I cannot desipher, but looks like a horse's head.

    I like its battered look. It's small size suggests to me, it could have been a jockey's topper, worn at official events. IMG_20210409_181156.jpg IMG_20210409_181214.jpg IMG_20210409_181248.jpg IMG_20210409_181554.jpg IMG_20210409_181440.jpg IMG_20210409_181440.jpg
     
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  18. Steve1857

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    The reason I pulled the trigger on this one was due to the hat box.

    C.W. Borchert was a well known hat seller before and after WWII. Before WWI, too. The address on the box is pre WWII. After the end of the war, they moved to Kurfürstendamm 45. That is to say, from East Germany to West Germany.

    The address also lacks the German limited liability company letters G. m. b. H., which can be seen in other boxes with this address on them.

    My surmise is, the box is pre WWI. IMG_20210410_214743.jpg IMG_20210410_224603.jpg
     
  19. Idaho Santa

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    So here are some photos of me in my topper. Please let me know if the fit looks okay. Thank you for your reviews. 20210410_152754.jpg 20210410_152806.jpg 20210410_152824.jpg
     
  20. mayserwegener

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    Steve, Great find! Is the Silk Top Hat from C. W. Borchert? If possible please post in the German - Austrian thread. Thanks!
     
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