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Discussion in 'Hats' started by Lefty, Sep 2, 2009.

  1. Thanks all for your opinium.
  2. Hurricane Jack

    Hurricane Jack I'll Lock Up

    I've been told I resemble those remarks.

  3. Why not just get a SunBody that already has the Gus shape and a better brim width?


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  4. Fivesense

    Fivesense One of the Regulars

    I like the Golden Gus but I'm not going specifically for a traditional Gus. I want a brim somewhere between 3-1/2 to 4" but not bigger (I've got other westerns for that). The idea of the Gus was to reshape the Cattleman to something a little lower (and exposes my lack of experience in shaping hats). I want a more moderate hat for times when I don't want to go full stock western, and something I can wear in my truck. How about that? I've got a full size truck, but because of the sunroof, my 5" crown rubs against the ceiling.

    So I have shifted away from the Atwood Austin to an Atwood with an already defined, lower crown (4-3/4 or so) and a 3-1/2" brim. I like palm because I probably can't screw it up if I practice reshaping. In considering palm, I'm also looking at Sunbody.

    I know palm leaf can be warmer so I want vents or eyelets. Should I be considering anyone other than Atwood and Sunbody? Candidly, I know I get a lot of hat with Atwood for quite a low price comparatively.
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  5. Even at the height of hat making the continental makers, who were the masters of the long hair felts, used rabbit rather than beaver for some finishes because rabbit was superior for the application.

    There is definitely a place for both, but if you don’t want a bunch of caveats I feel comfortable stating the beaver is “better” than rabbit.

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  6. Art Fawcett

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    I think so far most of the answers have missed a crucial point. The actual character of the hair makes all the difference in the world. Can you make a good hat from both rabbit and beaver, in the right hands yes, of course. However, wool and rabbit are essentially straight hairs that will felt nicely but can only achieve density over time whereas Beaver, with the natural "fish hooks" on the hair itself creates a much denser/stronger felt. The denser the felt, the better the finish that can be achieved, the longer water saturation takes to penetrate, and produces a shine not achievable with other hairs. To say that Rabbit and Beaver are equal and there is just a "cool factor" is to be misinformed.
  7. Fivesense

    Fivesense One of the Regulars

    What the heck happened to the 10th beaver?
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  8. Ya gotta wonder about that tenth beaver.
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  9. Fivesense

    Fivesense One of the Regulars

    My guess is the 10th was a beaver in rabbit clothing.
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  10. He had already become a hat, and was therefore unavailable for comment.
  11. Hear, Hear!! LOL! Now THAT brought a smile to my face. :p
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  12. andrew_AU

    andrew_AU One of the Regulars

  13. Hurricane Jack

    Hurricane Jack I'll Lock Up

    Makes me think of this:

  14. Now THAT's funny!
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  15. LMAO
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  16. RJR

    RJR I'll Lock Up

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  17. I THINK..... the 10th beaver was an old one...... who wanted to go out in style........in the form of a custom hat!!!:eek:;):)
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  18. The Germans and Austrians (other Euro and American) hat companies used Wild Hare not Rabbit for such finishes (Velour, Soleil, Flamand). Wild Hare (Saxon Hare was considered the best) produced the finest Velour finishes.

    You can read more here.


    Here is some earlier information.

    Last edited: Apr 16, 2018 at 7:41 PM
  19. Wild Hare is difficult to felt but produces the finest long hair finishes (Velour, Soleil, Flamand) and is very durable. I have pre WWII Austrian and German Velours (hot wet brushed) that are very dense with unmatched shine / gloss (Saxon Hare produced the finest). I translated this piece a while ago that contains detailed information on the subject. In this time period (1933) they were moving away from hand wet hot brushing to mechanical hot wet brushing (this takes place during felt production) and cheap imitations were being introduced.

    Hair Velour / Real (Echter) Velour / Prime (Prima) Velour Fabrikation von Damen- und Herren- Filzhüten, Der Deustchen Hutmacher Zeitung (1933)


    I have other valuable information on German and Austrian long hair felt (Velour, Soleil, Flamand) production but I haven't had a chance to translate.

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