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J. Hückel's Söhne "Prima" for the French market:
this hat was sold by "Chapeau Raoul" in Nevers
Label says "A V" so "Alpha Velour", as Steve indicated
French Point 6 1/2 (fits perfectly), possibly (late) 1920s (?)
brim at 6.3 cm, crown at the dent at impressive 12.5 cm
5.5 cm crown ribbon with a very nice bow treatment
The "ventilation system" at the front is unusual -
I usually only know this from Borsalino hats...
Nice condition except some stains on the lining

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This hat speaks to me. Just something special about it that is immediately apparent.
 

Mean Eyed Matt

One Too Many
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1,103
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Germany
A hat of standing, Matt. It shows its presence in all the pics. Congrats.

Thank you, Stefan: You express very well what I have only felt myself.
Even if the measurements are not that different from other hats,
the proportions are different - especially when worn.
The whole hat and particularly the crown are gigantic!
And on top of that the thick/heavy felt - even if it is coarser
and not as supple as the felt of the Hückel Superior!
I have never held anything comparable in my hands.

Another great find, Matt. I wonder if the perforations in the sweatband once held a sizing cord.

So far I haven't thought about it, but that could be possible.
I'm just surprised that the perforations are in two rows:
Have you already seen something like that?
 

Daniele Tanto

I'll Lock Up
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4,095
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Verona - Italia
Fifth chapter of the orphanage of Italian hats.
The surprises begin with a hat that has all the requisites for being old, except the brims which are incredibly short.
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"Extra - Tirso" size 58 centimeters in a plum colored felt and made of wool and fur with a touch that I often found in Italian and French hats from before World War II.
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Let's talk about the brims that I doubt could be that short in the 30's and 40's, I've seen at minimum 5cm in hats where they were always up.
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It is extremely malleble and has a fine backbow and internal finish.
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It has a brand "Qualità Prima Extra" I never see
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The name of the maker or the type of hat is "Tirso" a small river in Sardinia or the sacred Thyrsus was a ritual stick attributed to the Greek god Dionysus and his followers, satyrs and maenads. Of various wood, but thicker than dogwood.
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From the lettering and brand stamping it seems really an old hat
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These are the measures: the brims are 4 cm., the ribbon, with backbow is 4.5 cm and the minimum height of the crown is 11 cm.
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I tried to imagine the hat with a couple of cm. plus in the brims and it would have been different, if they were cut to make it palatable, the job was done carefully
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This is one of the mysteries of this find and the pity is that it would also fit on my head...:rolleyes:
 
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Maryland
So far I haven't thought about it, but that could be possible.
I'm just surprised that the perforations are in two rows:
Have you already seen something like that?
Matt, Stefan, I think they are ventilation related. P. & C. Habig Wien had something similar in the time period.

P. & C. Habig Wien Silk Top Hat with "Patent Ventilator" . Not sure if it worked. :)

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P. & C. Habig Wien "Grand Prix Paris" Stiff Felt.

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Mean Eyed Matt

One Too Many
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1,103
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Germany
Matt, Stefan, I think they are ventilation related. P. & C. Habig Wien had something similar in the time period.

P. & C. Habig Wien Silk Top Hat with "Patent Ventilator" . Not sure if it worked. :)

Whether this has really brought "fresh air" I dare to doubt,
but the patant imprints are indeed a good explanation.
What I can say and what you have already noticed:
The sweat is very thin and soft!
 

Daniele Tanto

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4,095
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Verona - Italia
Sixth chapter of the orphanage of Italian hats.
Another mystery, this completely unexpected
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A velour felt hat made in Tuscany by "La Familiare" hat factory often dedicated to producing for third parties, located in Montevarchi - Arezzo. Size is a full 58 centimeters
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I have very few hats from this manufacturer in my collection and in this bunch that arrived last week I find two.
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Well-made hat with a short-haired, malleable and well-dense velour.
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The hat appears to have been pre-formed during production and the finishes are top notch.
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From the construction details, the prints on the sweatband and the components of the hat, its dating is between the 50s and the early 60s

"La Familiare" (the familiar) has a lily of Florence in its trademark


The brand on the sweatband, as well as the name of the shop are printed in gold
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The measurements are as follows: the raw brim is at 6 centimeters and the low ribbon at 2 centimeters and the crown at its minimum front point is at 11 centimeters.
Here you find the Wiki link to the manufacturer https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cappellificio_La_Familiare
 

Daniele Tanto

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4,095
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This is the seventh orphaned Italian hat and it is my favorite, perhaps because it is older than the writer:)
We have little news about this black hat from the thirties
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Someone threw the liner in the garbage and no indication is present for the lack of a paper label
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Velour, as it is called on the sweatband, size 58 centimeters
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The shapes and finishes, see the sweatband with "inlays" are those of a hat made about a hundred years ago
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Its peculiarity is the black felt, classified as velour which has a very low fur and an exceptional malleability
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In the mixture of felt there is certainly a part of wool and probably silk because the consistency and luster are those of some women's hats of the period
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As I mentioned in the presentation of this lot, some hats are mysteries, also because their dating is at least fifty years long. This too was sold in a tiny town of Pegognaga, as evidenced by the brand of the shop
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These are its measurements: the brims are at 6.3 cm, the ribbon is at 5 cm. and the lowest point of the crown is at 11.5 centimeters.
This hat, as well as the one called "Extra - Tirso" are the adorable puzzles that are found every now and then and make collectors spend a few moments of happiness ;)
 
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11,894
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Southern California
And now, not the usual type of hat we see here:

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The Vaniglia (Italian for "vanilla"), made in Italy from "recycled" jute coffee bags. I think "repurposed" would be more accurate, because this woven jute is pristine. Actually I'm certain the fabric was made purely for hats like this, because I've seen the exact same print and ink patterns on other hats similar to this one. Also, there are zero signs of wear, so I'm positive this jute has never seen a coffee bean. It surely won't be to everyone's liking, but it's a nice light casual hat and I like it.
 
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Borsalino qualitá Victoria came in today. A great hat in a very good condition. Thick felt. Unfortunally the brimwidth is about 5,5 cm, i was hoping for 6 cm or more. I didn't ask the seller about it, so it's my own fault. Nevertheless i'm satisfied with it, it looks like it is never worn before. :)
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Looks nice Marcel
 
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11,894
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Thanks, yes a littlebit smaller proportions that i expected, but i think it suits very well. Now my Hatjack stretcher is doing his job :)
If you were intentionally looking for a hat with more "conservative" proportions for yourself, I don't think you could have done a better job. The hat looks like it's in very good condition, and I agree it suits you.
 
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Here’s one I haven’t seen before. It’s a nice Stetson The Sovereign Twenty suede finish in an ice blue color that I love. The felt it soft and easily dry creases. The open crown is approximately 5 1/2 inches and the brim is 2 5/8 inches. It has a braided self-felt band that I haven’t seen on a Twenty before. It also has a new-to-me brim edge treatment. It isn’t the expected felted (Cavanagh/Mode) edge: the edge is capped in a matching piece of felt which gives it an overwelt and underwelt look. The seam of the cap is at the back of the hat and not overly obvious. If anyone has information on this hat I’d enjoy learning.

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Pellie

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1,402
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Enschede, Netherlands
Here’s one I haven’t seen before. It’s a nice Stetson The Sovereign Twenty suede finish in an ice blue color that I love. The felt it soft and easily dry creases. The open crown is approximately 5 1/2 inches and the brim is 2 5/8 inches. It has a braided self-felt band that I haven’t seen on a Twenty before. It also has a new-to-me brim edge treatment. It isn’t the expected felted (Cavanagh/Mode) edge: the edge is capped in a matching piece of felt which gives it an overwelt and underwelt look. The seam of the cap is at the back of the hat and not overly obvious. If anyone has information on this hat I’d enjoy learning.

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Great hat and also a great colour.
 

DaveProc

I'll Lock Up
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4,064
Location
Rhode Island
Mayser "Libelle", 58 cm, possibly later 1950s. The Felt has a great color / finish and easily dry creases. Also a really interesting Bow and Brim treatment. This is my second "Libelle" so not a common Mark.

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Unique "Echter Mayser" Celluloid Label attached to the Sweatband. I have never seen one of these before so a very pleasant surprise.

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Natural Light

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Wow! What a beauty, so much to like about this hat, but ribbon/bow treatment is really special.
 

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