Show us your most broken in Lost Worlds HH jackets

[Trouser Bark]

Interesting take, but you might be mixing metaphors and missing the material science (PhD here). Leather isn’t a tensile cable suspended in a vacuum; it’s a complex organic material with grain memory, variable fiber density, and surface tension that behaves differently depending on tanning, finish, and wear history.

Your “catenary curve” analogy is confounding as leather doesn’t behave like a cable under uniform gravity, it creases from micro-compressions in the grain layer, not just from “180° folds.” And what you’re calling a 180° fold is more likely a natural break from wear or storage under uneven pressure, not necessarily mistreatment.

Plenty of leathers, especially softer chrome-tanned hides or heavily oiled veg-tan will show similar creases from rolling, sitting, or even being on a tight hanger. It’s not a physics demo, it’s just how skin works.

I'm not sure I'd characterize laying a jacket down on its belly as mistreatment as I've done it to all of mine many times. My catenary analogy is only marginally applicable as you pointed out but thick horsehide would have to be mighty geriatric before it would fold back flat on itself naturally and until that time a tight fold wouldn't be a natural fold... it is less likely wear and more likely storage. The question is, can the result of that storage be made less obvious?

Dig the name. Thought about signing on as B.D. Hertzer but not bummed that I didn't.

 

[Trouser Bark]

I feel like I logged into the TFL of some alternate dimension
Gonna need a textbook to parse through this


I got this from @JMax who could confirm your idea if it was folded that way as you think. Honestly, he could have packed it up like origami and I'd still be wearing it.

Haha! Don't feel bad! Apparently I don't know what I'm talking about either.

You're going to walk away from this exchange thinking your jacket is damaged because of me and that's not what I meant. It's a stunning jacket and I absolutely love it. I happen to have a few wear marks myself and remember earning most of them. I just wondered if a dab of leather balm, a snort of Pecard's or maybe a light touch of Kiwi might make it uniformly black.

The answer is yes and I just took a ****py road to get there. My apologies and thanks for all you bring to this site.

 

[cbez]

The answer is no. none of those are going to change a creased texture on leather. the jacket is still black, it just has a texture that reflects light differently in that area.

 

[JMax]

I feel like I logged into the TFL of some alternate dimension
Gonna need a textbook to parse through this meeting of great minds


I got this from @JMax who could confirm your idea if it was folded that way as you think. Honestly, he could have packed it up like an origami butterfly and I'd still be wearing it.
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Haha. That’s hilarious.

This jacket was only ever worn or hanging in my closet from a “TFL-approved” hanger. I would wear it zipped all the way or snapped down for more air flow. That’s normal wear. And I think the lighting makes it stand out more.

I don’t origami my jackets.

 

[bigmanbigtruck]

Haha! Don't feel bad! Apparently I don't know what I'm talking about either.

You're going to walk away from this exchange thinking your jacket is damaged because of me and that's not what I meant. It's a stunning jacket and I absolutely love it. I happen to have a few wear marks myself and remember earning most of them. I just wondered if a dab of leather balm, a snort of Pecard's or maybe a light touch of Kiwi might make it uniformly black.

The answer is yes and I just took a ****py road to get there. My apologies and thanks for all you bring to this site.

lol I don't feel bad at all... jacket is perfect and your comment didn't make me feel like it was inferior in any way.

I didn't realize your issue with it was that it didn't appear uniformly black - as mentioned, it may just be the lighting in my pic that makes it stick out. Here's a pic I just took where it doesn't look as pronounced.

Short of coating it with Vanta black, I don't see any way to make it "uniformly" black.

 

[Trouser Bark]

Xlnt. I love that jacket and I'd be wearing it if I could.

 

[Carlos840]

Haha! Don't feel bad! Apparently I don't know what I'm talking about either.

You're going to walk away from this exchange thinking your jacket is damaged because of me and that's not what I meant. It's a stunning jacket and I absolutely love it. I happen to have a few wear marks myself and remember earning most of them. I just wondered if a dab of leather balm, a snort of Pecard's or maybe a light touch of Kiwi might make it uniformly black.

The answer is yes and I just took a ****py road to get there. My apologies and thanks for all you bring to this site.

Mate, your original answer wasn't about making it "uniformly black", it was about "removing creases", which the nice Dr told you is impossible and now you come back saying, this is not what i meant but i am still correct.

Incredible...

 

[Trouser Bark]

Mate, your original answer wasn't about making it "uniformly black", it was about "removing creases", which the nice Dr told you is impossible and now you come back saying, this is not what i meant but i am still correct.

Incredible...

One sign of an intelligent mind is the ability to change based on helpful input. My comments adjust as I learn from others and it's notable that despite having inserted your view you've contributed unfounded hardline opinion absent objective value. You've missed a few points that merit clarity...

- Uniformly black and evidence of a fold are not unrelated concepts. A material's reflectance factor changes at that point and I may refer to an anomaly in multiple ways and not be incorrect.

- The term you're looking for is 'the good doctor', not "the nice Dr".

- On the topic of clarity note that the good doctor misinterpreted my reference to a catenary shape and instead interpreted it as a reference to a material characteristic within a vacuum. All but you likely understood what was meant and moved on.

Leather creases, that's what it does, if you don't like creases don't wear leather.

- Strikingly insightful.

Incredible...

I asked a legitimate question and you've contributed nothing beyond rudeness.

My great apologies to BMBT.

 

[cbez]

why are we busting out the thesaurus to talk about a leather crease

I feel like this forum always has some kind of race to be 'right' (I am guilty too..)

 

[BarryMcCockiner_PhD]

One sign of an intelligent mind is the ability to change based on helpful input. My comments adjust as I learn from others and it's notable that despite having inserted your view you've contributed unfounded hardline opinion absent objective value. You've missed a few points that merit clarity...

- Uniformly black and evidence of a fold are not unrelated concepts. A material's reflectance factor changes at that point and I may refer to an anomaly in multiple ways and not be incorrect.

- The term you're looking for is 'the good doctor', not "the nice Dr".

- On the topic of clarity note that the good doctor misinterpreted my reference to a catenary shape and instead interpreted it as a reference to a material characteristic within a vacuum. All but you likely understood what was meant and moved on.




- Strikingly insightful.




I asked a legitimate question and you've contributed nothing beyond rudeness. Go lay down by your dish, Carlos.

My great apologies to BMBT.

The ole catenary in a coal mine defense…

 

[Trouser Bark]

The ole catenary in a coal mine defense…

Ed Zachary!

 

[Trouser Bark]

why are we busting out the thesaurus to talk about a leather crease

I feel like this forum always has some kind of race to be 'right' (I am guilty too..)

 

[Peacoat]

This discussion has run its course. Let's move on. This is a directive, not a request.

 

[3.14nche]

Here's my only and hence most broken in LW that I got preloved from an other member.
Made it my hiking jacket a couple of winters ago and put quite a few Km in it but despite that the left sleeve still just wants to bounce back into its original shape as soon as I take it off.
The greyish core I can't say I really care for.

 

[BarryMcCockiner_PhD]

Reached out to Stu for some sizing and leather info. What a complete and utter princess, god forbid you insult “the master” by asking about general jacket dimensions.

 

[JMax]

Email or did you speak to him?

 

[bigmanbigtruck]

Reached out to Stu for some sizing and leather info. What a complete and utter princess, god forbid you insult “the master” by asking about general jacket dimensions.

The last time I asked him about jacket dimensions, he sent me something along these lines:

What exactly did you ask him?

 

[BarryMcCockiner_PhD]

The last time I asked him about jacket dimensions, he sent me something along these lines:

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What exactly did you ask him?

He posts that in his eBay listings. I asked him about those exact dimensions for a few models.

“We size by comparing a customer's
dimensions to our database of Trojan and J24 customers. Both are avail. in 3 oz. and 4 oz. Horsehide. We don't size by numbers; these are secondary. I will not provide dimensions because they are not relevant. Possible comparisons to a customer's other jackets bear little or no comparison to our jackets.”

He must like getting returns and flipping them on eBay.

 

[AHP91]

He posts that in his eBay listings. I asked him about those exact dimensions for a few models.

“We size by comparing a customer's
dimensions to our database of Trojan and J24 customers. Both are avail. in 3 oz. and 4 oz. Horsehide. We don't size by numbers; these are secondary. I will not provide dimensions because they are not relevant. Possible comparisons to a customer's other jackets bear little or no comparison to our jackets.”

He must like getting returns and flipping them on eBay.

I don’t necessarily agree with being completely standoffish with potential customers, but I can guarantee you the the owner of Lost Worlds knows more about sizing a jacket for an individual than you do.

You see it all time on here - “oh I can’t buy that jacket because the shoulders are .3 inches wider than I normally buy”. That’s nonsense - different patterns, leather thickness, will fit different. Stuart is well aware of this and probably has had plenty of run ins with individuals who “most definitely knows more than he does” about sizing.

 

[BarryMcCockiner_PhD]

I don’t necessarily agree with being completely standoffish with potential customers, but I can guarantee you the the owner of Lost Worlds knows more about sizing a jacket for an individual than you do.

You see it all time on here - “oh I can’t buy that jacket because the shoulders are .3 inches wider than I normally buy”. That’s nonsense - different patterns, leather thickness, will fit different. Stuart is well aware of this and probably has had plenty of run ins with individuals who “most definitely knows more than he does” about sizing.

Cool story. However my main issue as this thread suggests are the sleeves. Most folks who own LW in 44-46 claim that the sleeve length is 26” and generally run long. Is it a ploy to steer more folks into custom sizing with up charge? I won’t speculate, but this is just one example where “trust the expert” will lead to an improper fit in one dimension or another. 26” sleeves is too long to “just go with it” on a 2k+ investment.

Thedi gets my business, while his responsiveness has been tricky, he’s really on top of customer service and making sure he gets it right. I think given Stuart’s current reputation, he can take a page there. That is unless, business is really good so who cares ‍