Deodorant Question

Txmason said:

And one interesting point was that yellow stains are caused the aluminum in deodorant. . . .
My question is, what deodorants do you recommend using?

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I don't buy the theory that aluminum causes yellowing on fabric; furthermore, isn't that the purpose of an undershirt--to soak up any sweat, oil, etc. and stain instead of having your outer shirt take the brunt of it? My reasoning is that I use Old Spice original scent deodorant, and I get yellow stains where my undershirt soaks up any sweat; but this type of Old Spice does not contain aluminum. Here's the ingredients: Alcohol Denat, Propylene Glycol, Water, Sodium Stearate, Fragrance, Triclosan, Yellow 10, Green 5. So a couple alcohols, a bonding agent, antibacterial agent, fragrance and color. I'm sure it's not the healthiest thing to put the stuff on my underarms every day, but then again it isn't healthy to breath the stagnant, chemical-saturated air in your car each time you get in. I agree to stay away from aluminum in antiperspirants/deodorants because smearing metal into your pores to block sweating seems barbaric and quite unhealthy, in my opinion.

Undertow said:

Same thing happened to me, John. I switched to Old Spice for years until it started again. That's what got me over to Brut.

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You might try rotating what type of products you use because your skin can become irritated over time, as you have experience. The Old Spice I use once started irritating the skin a few years back and caused peeling, so I switched to another product for a month or so and then tried Old Spice again with no irritation.

The same thing applies for shampoos and soaps, from what I've read, in that one should switch products back and forth once a month or so. That being said, I just jumped on the holistic bandwagon at my friend's advice and started using a baking soda and water paste to wash my hair and water with a splash of white wine vinegar to condition the ends. I was skeptical as heck, but the stuff works amazingly well, makes my hair feel awesome, doesn't smell like I thought it would, and is dirt cheap along with being healthier for me and the environment. I doubt it will work on the more formal events when I wear Royal Crown, but I could reserve the caustic stuff for those times alone. I just might give the homemade deodorant a shot, but I don't use scented aftershave or cologne and rely on my Old Spice-ish shaving soap and that good ol' Old Spice deodorant for scent which appears to be slightly different from their aftershave scent. Hmmm.

Annixter, I think I'll give that a try. I believe I have some Old Spice lying around that needs used up.

therizyflapper, your smileys are abundant. I wonder if you smile that much in person!

Annixter said:

I don't buy the theory that aluminum causes yellowing on fabric;

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For years, I had terrible issues with yellow stains in my t-shirts and the stains even worked their way into my dress shirts even though I wore t-shirts underneath. I switched to an aluminum-free deodorant (Tom's of Maine) and the yellow stains are no more. I can't say for sure that the aluminum caused the yellow staining, but once I went aluminum-free, the stains disappeared.

Grayland said:

For years, I had terrible issues with yellow stains in my t-shirts and the stains even worked their way into my dress shirts even though I wore t-shirts underneath. I switched to an aluminum-free deodorant (Tom's of Maine) and the yellow stains are no more. I can't say for sure that the aluminum caused the yellow staining, but once I went aluminum-free, the stains disappeared.

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It's body chemistry combining with the Aluminum that's is causing the yellowing. We all have a different body chemistry and that is tied to our personal "scent" many products are made for the majority that don't have a problem, some of us do have problems. I often have issues with laundry detergents, so these dqys I tend to put my load thru a second rinse to get out any remaining detergent, this reduces itching and skin irritations.

Many have some type of sensativity or alergy.

I used to break out back in the bad old days of powdwered laundry detergent. When the liquids became available I stopped breaking out.

scottyrocks said:

I used to break out back in the bad old days of powdwered laundry detergent. When the liquids became available I stopped breaking out.

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Powdered laundry detergent is notorious for not disolving completely, Liquid does better.
One thing to check is: at the end of a load if you can run it again again see if there are suds in the washer while it's agitating, if so the detergent is not all coming out in the rinse.

I got terrible rashes from deoderants that contained aluminium and the crystals didn't do anything for me. I tried Tom's of Maine but found it didn't work that well. My dad told me about Hidrofugal and I've been using it for years now - it works a charm, is clear and lasts a while. However, I have to buy it in Germany or get it sent over as I haven't been able to find it here. It's the one thing I couldn't do without and may actually cry if it ever got discontinued.

Drappa, seems your rashes didn't have anything to do with aluminum. Hidrofugal contains aluminum chlorohydrate. If you can use it without having problems some other ingredient must have been the cause.

I use JASON brand natural deodorant. I may change deodorants, but I refuse to use anything with heavy metals; I don't need armpit cancer.

Undertow said:

Annixter, I think I'll give that a try. I believe I have some Old Spice lying around that needs used up.

therizyflapper, your smileys are abundant. I wonder if you smile that much in person!

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hahaha Undertow I'm a very cheerful person to say the least!! hahaha i catch myself smiling all the time for no apparent reason hahaha!

Rudie said:

Drappa, seems your rashes didn't have anything to do with aluminum. Hidrofugal contains aluminum chlorohydrate. If you can use it without having problems some other ingredient must have been the cause.

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Oh wow! Until now I never checked the ingredients list - I just assumed it must have been that because all the other ones had aluminium and my doctor suggested that could be the cause. Hmm, may need to look for alternatives now.

My understanding is the aluminum chloride products work of the pours of the sweat glands to stop sweating ( thus term antiperspirant ). If this stops sweating then all that toxic crap these glands have removed just back up into your lymph nodes and may cause some serious problems. Years ago I had enlarged nodes under the arms due to antiperspirants and had to switch to a no aluminum chloride product and it worked. May be time to try some others like All Spice again. One that is just a deodorant.---John

No Worries

Not that I blame anyone for wanting to stay away from chemicals but this kind of puts things into perspective:

http://www.webmd.com/healthy-beauty/features/antiperspirant-facts-safety

Better living through chemistry!

kyboots said:

My understanding is the aluminum chloride products work of the pours of the sweat glands to stop sweating ( thus term antiperspirant ). If this stops sweating then all that toxic crap these glands have removed just back up into your lymph nodes and may cause some serious problems. Years ago I had enlarged nodes under the arms due to antiperspirants and had to switch to a no aluminum chloride product and it worked. May be time to try some others like All Spice again. One that is just a deodorant.---John

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I will always suggest making your own at home, it better for you, and works better then anything you could buy anywhere If you want a good recipe just personal message me, I'm always here to help

crazydaisy said:

Thumbs up for the Rock Crystal.
bunnyb.gal, your link doesn't work.

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Thank you, crazydaisy! Ahem, I meant this:

http://www.crystalspring.co.uk/products/natural-deodorants-crystal-deodorants

TheBronze said:

Not that I blame anyone for wanting to stay away from chemicals but this kind of puts things into perspective:

http://www.webmd.com/healthy-beauty/features/antiperspirant-facts-safety

Better living through chemistry!

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An interesting read, and thanks for linking it to this discussion, but like in the Lounge, everyone in the scientific community has an opinion that often times differs from others. I find it ironic that the author criticizes the internet for spreading rumors yet does so in an internet article with the assumption that it is as legitimate as a scholarly study in a medical journal that suffers the scrutiny of the scientific community. Granted, the fact that the article uses quotes from people high up at the American Cancer Society and the National Kidney Foundation carries weight, but I'm sure there are some convincing studies out there in support of the evils of high-chemical-compound antiperspirants and deodorants just the same.

I'm no researcher in the antiperspirant/deodorant field, so I can only go off my informed reaction that continually covering parts of our body with chemicals strong enough to eat off the skin in some people's case cannot be good for us. Maybe there's no direct link to cancer, kidney disease, or Alzheimer's, and maybe there is, but I think a lot of us can agree that we prefer a more natural means of hygiene while sustaining the quality of life we desire (as in not soaking our shirts with sweat and stinking to all heck). Out of my own interest, I'm enjoying the many options people are discussing here, and I think it would be wonderful to find a homemade deodorant that works as well as my current off-the-shelf; unfortunately, I'm skeptical this is possible. I think our ancestors who did use friendly substances and their societies had a different standard of body odor in that they understood it was natural and unavoidable and took it for what it was, whereas popular culture now condemns the slightest whiff of anything that smells like a natural human. I'm not saying I enjoy rank armpit odor, but wouldn't it be much easier and healthier if we humans lowered our cosmetic standards a bit?

Personally id'e never wear a shirt without some sort of under garment, vest, t shirt, depending what you call it and I find a very fine thermal stops sweating.
VM
ps I wear perfume, cologne but never antiperspirant.

therizyflapper said:

I will always suggest making your own at home, it better for you, and works better then anything you could buy anywhere If you want a good recipe just personal message me, I'm always here to help

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Thank you theirizy actually that article supported exactly what I said. It forms a "plug" and keeps you from sweating (so the toxins may cause your lymph nodes to swell if you are sensitive.) Never mentioned cancer or Alzheimers even though I will have to blame something other than this for my memory loss now! John

kyboots said:

Thank you theirizy actually that article supported exactly what I said. It forms a "plug" and keeps you from sweating (so the toxins may cause your lymph nodes to swell if you are sensitive.) Never mentioned cancer or Alzheimers even though I will have to blame something other than this for my memory loss now! John

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yes i completely agree with you Kyboots blocking your sweating can cause horrible effects on your body, I'm very glad to hear you aren't experiencing that problem anymore

This stuff works very well: Lafe's Natural Crystal Deodorant Hemp Roll-On. If you look it up on Amazon you will see some pretty similar alternatives.