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[AeroLover]

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I prefer my 5* for office work attire.

 

[navetsea]

that R2D2 on the back tho....

 

[navetsea]

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honestly the jacket is too big on you. the waist looks huge, and when zipped there is still vertical dimple along the shoulder on the front showing it is also too wide across the chest, perhaps a size smaller will do better and also probably comes shorter by default.

 

[navetsea]

this jacket has no "waist" it looks barrel shaped torso, and it is designed for longer cut so the hem circumference is designed for hip size, when you simply chop it shorter you will have huge gap on the hem circumference toward your waist, unless you are built barrel shaped as the jacket with waist the same size as your hip, which probably you aren't so not only chopping but also tapering the waist.

 

[AeroLover]

honestly the jacket is too big on you. the waist looks huge, and when zipped there is still vertical dimple along the shoulder on the front showing it is also too wide across the chest, perhaps a size smaller will do better and also probably comes shorter by default.

I agree.

 

[ABCD]

I prefer my 5* for office work attire. View attachment 650784

Your 5* has a coherent design. The Schott has some design features of an Aviator and the shape of a coat.

Someone who doesn't know anything about jacket design (=most people) will say it's a nice looking jacket.

 

[AeroLover]

Your 5* has a coherent design. The Schott has some design features of an Aviator and the shape of a coat.

Someone who doesn't know anything about jacket design (=most people) will say it's a nice looking jacket.

100% agree

 

[MrProper]

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It looks so big, as if it could fit me

 

[ton312]

You’re an utterly miserable human being who spends his time insulting people on message boards. No wonder why I ignore your content! There’s nothing of value! Go on about your business of insulting strangers to make yourself feel better about being an epic loser with small **** energy. Ill just keep ignoring it

I appreciate that you took your time and let my comment fester and really sink in before quoting it. Twice.

Since I’m a small **** and you’re a huge *****, it’s no wonder we don’t get along.

 

[AeroLover]

It looks so big, as if it could fit me

Hahaha it’s meant for a taller man such as yourself.

 

[Canuck Panda]

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Yes and No. I would hang on to it until something else comes up in the same ball park, like another aviator style that actually fits different, before unloading this one.

The pigment Shinki also has a wax top coat which needs a slight break in for the drape to improve too.

There was another one of this jacket in another thread and my feeling is the same in both cases. If you go down a size it might become too tight. But the current one is also not ideal, it's missing the half belt cinch and an inch too long.

A quick fix imo is to install a pair of waist cinch at the half belt, to bring in the waist to get that drop 4" to the waist before flaring out at the hem back to 2" drop.

A lot of cross zips on the market is shaped like this and sized like this. Without going custom I have not run into an off rack aviator cross zip that has more taper or shorter.

Left to right, 1 to 4,

Jacket 2 to 3 are both size 44 (1930s), so shoulder is 18.5" plus or minus 0.25", P2P is 22.5" plus or minus 0.25", Hem is 21.5" plus or minus 0.25". Jacket 4 is size 42 (1930s), I think the Schott Shinki Medium is size 41 (1930s) so these two will be very close. This is why I assume going down one alpha size may be too uncomfortable.
Jacket 3 is gonna be very similar to your Large Shinki Schott except the sleeves are more rotated towards the front , but the overall width and length is exactly the same as your Schott I assume.
Jacket 2 is same as jacket 3 with sleeve rotated back like your Schott, the main difference here is the additional waist cinch which I am using, and minus one inch length! This is what the Shinki Schott could have been - minus one inch length and add waist cinches.
Jacket 1 is just shorter and more taper and is based off a motorcycle jacket, which also has bigger sleeve than the aviators I find. For aviators I actually don't think it's necessary to go as short or taper as the motorcycle jackets. It could, but not neccesary.

Honestly I think just wear it first, and wait for another aviator that is one inch shorter with waist cinch to show up. In the worst case scenario you can always get it shortened and add the waist cinch, but wear it first just to make sure.

 

[Monte.C]

Yes and No. I would hang on to it until something else comes up in the same ball park, like another aviator style that actually fits different, before unloading this one.

The pigment Shinki also has a wax top coat which needs a slight break in for the drape to improve too.

There was another one of this jacket in another thread and my feeling is the same in both cases. If you go down a size it might become too tight. But the current one is also not ideal, it's missing the half belt cinch and an inch too long.

A quick fix imo is to install a pair of waist cinch at the half belt, to bring in the waist to get that drop 4" to the waist before flaring out at the hem back to 2" drop.

A lot of cross zips on the market is shaped like this and sized like this. Without going custom I have not run into an off rack aviator cross zip that has more taper or shorter.

Left to right, 1 to 4,
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Jacket 2 to 3 are both size 44 (1930s), so shoulder is 18.5" plus or minus 0.25", P2P is 22.5" plus or minus 0.25", Hem is 21.5" plus or minus 0.25". Jacket 4 is size 42 (1930s), I think the Schott Shinki Medium is size 41 (1930s) so these two will be very close. This is why I assume going down one alpha size may be too uncomfortable.
Jacket 3 is gonna be very similar to your Large Shinki Schott except the sleeves are more rotated towards the front , but the overall width and length is exactly the same as your Schott I assume.
Jacket 2 is same as jacket 3 with sleeve rotated back like your Schott, the main difference here is the additional waist cinch which I am using, and minus one inch length! This is what the Shinki Schott could have been - minus one inch length and add waist cinches.
Jacket 1 is just shorter and more taper and is based off a motorcycle jacket, which also has bigger sleeve than the aviators I find. For aviators I actually don't think it's necessary to go as short or taper as the motorcycle jackets. It could, but not neccesary.

Honestly I think just wear it first, and wait for another aviator that is one inch shorter with waist cinch to show up. In the worst case scenario you can always get it shortened and add the waist cinch, but wear it first just to make sure.

I'm impressed by so many things right now.

 

[Al 916]

I'm impressed by so many things right now.

Life is ****ing incredible isn't it!

 

[Al 916]

CPs jackets and fits are pretty flipping good too

 

[Monte.C]

Life is ****ing incredible isn't it!

The way you document these jackets and their fit in photos. You've taken a lot of care with this.

Dude.

 

[Al 916]

The way you document these jackets and their fit in photos. You've taken a lot of care with this.

Dude.

The way the Canuck Panda knows the measurements work from his collected experience, learnings and data. He has a process driven and detailed mind which shows in his incredible collection.

And, he is happy to share his knowledge...

Not a phrase I ever imagined typing 'Upvote the Panda'!

 

[AeroLover]

Yes and No. I would hang on to it until something else comes up in the same ball park, like another aviator style that actually fits different, before unloading this one.

The pigment Shinki also has a wax top coat which needs a slight break in for the drape to improve too.

There was another one of this jacket in another thread and my feeling is the same in both cases. If you go down a size it might become too tight. But the current one is also not ideal, it's missing the half belt cinch and an inch too long.

A quick fix imo is to install a pair of waist cinch at the half belt, to bring in the waist to get that drop 4" to the waist before flaring out at the hem back to 2" drop.

A lot of cross zips on the market is shaped like this and sized like this. Without going custom I have not run into an off rack aviator cross zip that has more taper or shorter.

Left to right, 1 to 4,
View attachment 650926
View attachment 650927
View attachment 650928 View attachment 650929

Jacket 2 to 3 are both size 44 (1930s), so shoulder is 18.5" plus or minus 0.25", P2P is 22.5" plus or minus 0.25", Hem is 21.5" plus or minus 0.25". Jacket 4 is size 42 (1930s), I think the Schott Shinki Medium is size 41 (1930s) so these two will be very close. This is why I assume going down one alpha size may be too uncomfortable.
Jacket 3 is gonna be very similar to your Large Shinki Schott except the sleeves are more rotated towards the front , but the overall width and length is exactly the same as your Schott I assume.
Jacket 2 is same as jacket 3 with sleeve rotated back like your Schott, the main difference here is the additional waist cinch which I am using, and minus one inch length! This is what the Shinki Schott could have been - minus one inch length and add waist cinches.
Jacket 1 is just shorter and more taper and is based off a motorcycle jacket, which also has bigger sleeve than the aviators I find. For aviators I actually don't think it's necessary to go as short or taper as the motorcycle jackets. It could, but not neccesary.

Honestly I think just wear it first, and wait for another aviator that is one inch shorter with waist cinch to show up. In the worst case scenario you can always get it shortened and add the waist cinch, but wear it first just to make sure.

This is a really helpful demonstration. Thank you!!

 

[AeroLover]

The way the Canuck Panda knows the measurements work from his collected experience, learnings and data. He has a process driven and detailed mind which shows in his incredible collection.

And, he is happy to share his knowledge...

Not a phrase I ever imagined typing 'Upvote the Panda'!

The man is a TFL treasure. What a good dude!

 

[Monte.C]

The way you document these jackets and their fit in photos. You've taken a lot of care with this.

Dude.

The way the Canuck Panda knows the measurements work from his collected experience, learnings and data. He has a process driven and detailed mind which shows in his incredible collection.

And, he is happy to share his knowledge...

Not a phrase I ever imagined typing 'Upvote the Panda'!

(Oops - I thought I was replying to the Panda.)
Anyway - Panda for president!

 

[navetsea]

Yes and No. I would hang on to it until something else comes up in the same ball park, like another aviator style that actually fits different, before unloading this one.

The pigment Shinki also has a wax top coat which needs a slight break in for the drape to improve too.

There was another one of this jacket in another thread and my feeling is the same in both cases. If you go down a size it might become too tight. But the current one is also not ideal, it's missing the half belt cinch and an inch too long.

A quick fix imo is to install a pair of waist cinch at the half belt, to bring in the waist to get that drop 4" to the waist before flaring out at the hem back to 2" drop.

A lot of cross zips on the market is shaped like this and sized like this. Without going custom I have not run into an off rack aviator cross zip that has more taper or shorter.

Left to right, 1 to 4,
View attachment 650926
View attachment 650927
View attachment 650928 View attachment 650929

Jacket 2 to 3 are both size 44 (1930s), so shoulder is 18.5" plus or minus 0.25", P2P is 22.5" plus or minus 0.25", Hem is 21.5" plus or minus 0.25". Jacket 4 is size 42 (1930s), I think the Schott Shinki Medium is size 41 (1930s) so these two will be very close. This is why I assume going down one alpha size may be too uncomfortable.
Jacket 3 is gonna be very similar to your Large Shinki Schott except the sleeves are more rotated towards the front , but the overall width and length is exactly the same as your Schott I assume.
Jacket 2 is same as jacket 3 with sleeve rotated back like your Schott, the main difference here is the additional waist cinch which I am using, and minus one inch length! This is what the Shinki Schott could have been - minus one inch length and add waist cinches.
Jacket 1 is just shorter and more taper and is based off a motorcycle jacket, which also has bigger sleeve than the aviators I find. For aviators I actually don't think it's necessary to go as short or taper as the motorcycle jackets. It could, but not neccesary.

Honestly I think just wear it first, and wait for another aviator that is one inch shorter with waist cinch to show up. In the worst case scenario you can always get it shortened and add the waist cinch, but wear it first just to make sure.

C Panda, you should make a web catalogue, you tried so many jackets, from so many makers, even various chinese brands, the fit comparison is amazing vault of knowledge, thank you for your input to the community