Gingrich in '08?

[Nathan Flowers]

Actually, the last Senator to be elected President was Nixon, and he was elected* to two terms as well.
Anyway, I don't forsee Gingrich getting anywhere with a Presidential run, as he was too divisive a figure within his own party, and seen as very divisive to the American public in general.

He was as socially conservative as a Republican from Georgia had to be. Consertive on fiscal matters, the family, and foreign policy, while moderate on women's issues, civil rights, and the environment. He's a very brilliant guy, with a PhD in history, and exceptional debating skills (he was able to goad Tip O'Neill into committing an ad Hominem attack on the House floor back in 1984).

I think the better candidate would be Giuliani, Pataki, or McCain.


*I know Nixon didn't finish his second term.

 

[kamikat]

Actually, the last Senator to be elected President was Nixon, "


Sorry I missed that one

I think the better candidate would be Giuliani, Pataki, or McCain.
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I agree with you there. I think Giuliani would do well, but he is known to be very pro-choice, which doesn't always go over big with the social conservatives. Also, peple tend to forget that prior to 9/11, he was not well-loved in NYC. Right before, he was in the midst of a scandal with trying to move his mistress into the mayor's mansion before his divorce was final and was very open about having the mistress for a long time.
During the 2000 election, I thought McCain had great potential. Being a Democrat, I couldn't vote in the primary, but I was pulling for him. He would have been the only Republican many people in my family would have voted for, had he gotten the nomination. However, I've heard many conservatives say he's too independant for the party.
Don't knw much about Pataki, other than the fact that Howard Stern loves him.
Andrea

 

[Renderking Fisk]

And people say I incite near riots for starting some political threads?

What most people know about Newt Gingrich is nonsense spouted by Candice Bergen on her sitcom/leftist propaganda show: “Murphy Brown�… The REAL Newt can be found on Newt.org.

I’ve shown people his writings after copy/pasting them into a word document with out his name attached, and those who respond say: “This guy sounds like me�… it’s amazing how their opinion transforms when I tell them who wrote that.

Newt is in touch with Moderate Americans; he’s been vilified by the leftist media and impossible to define via the Bumpersticker jingoism today.

He runs: I’ll campaign for him in New Hampshire.

 

[SappySwami]

It's true, so many people have a preconceived image of Gingrich. Probably from when he was the Speaker and was all over Clinton; though I don't hold that against him, because I think it is part of the job. (Though, no doubt, he took this pretty far not just for the sake of the position.) What I didn't like was the extra power he gained for the position of house speaker, though that wasn't his doing but rather the caucus'. As for '08, I think the image people have of him would work against him too much. Though, if Hillary ran, as well and Newt... man, those would be some good debates. They'd have to be led by Don King, though.

(As for McCain, hell, I'd vote for him. He's onto something with campaign finance reform.)

 

[Bogie1943]

Not to tick anyone off but...

Is anyone else scared that H. Clinton is going to run in 08? I am sorry but she one cocky little woman, I can not stand her. All she is out to get is what she wants and will do whatever it takes to get it now matter what as far as I see it.

 

[Renderking Fisk]

Dr. Strangevote; or how I stopped worring and learned to love the H-Bomb

What I didn't like was the extra power he gained for the position of house speaker, though that wasn't his doing but rather the caucus'.

I'm really glad you said that. The media made a circus out of it because they could hardly believe that Newt's Contract With America would go anywhere.

As for '08, I think the image people have of him would work against him too much. Though, if Hillary ran, as well and Newt... man, those would be some good debates. They'd have to be led by Don King, though.

It would be funny to see... because Newt talks about the issues, while Hillary runs on emotions and defecting blame onto other people. What does Hillary have to say besides blaming Republicans.

(As for McCain, hell, I'd vote for him. He's onto something with campaign finance reform.)

How did you like those 529 groups and their attack ads. CFR works GREAT!

Is anyone else scared that H. Clinton is going to run in 08? I am sorry but she one cocky little woman, I can not stand her. All she is out to get is what she wants and will do whatever it takes to get it now matter what as far as I see it.

Scared of The H-Bomb? I'm not, because she can't win with her negitive numbers. She's a "Superstar" in the North East and on the Pacific coast, with low positive numbers in the "Fly Over" states and what ammounts to raw emotion of hatred in the south.

Not happening.

 

[BBanzai]

Is anyone else scared that H. Clinton is going to run in 08? I am sorry but she one cocky little woman, I can not stand her. All she is out to get is what she wants and will do whatever it takes to get it now matter what as far as I see it.

You mean like our current president?

 

[kamikat]

Is anyone else scared that H. Clinton is going to run in 08? I am sorry but she one cocky little woman, I can not stand her. All she is out to get is what she wants and will do whatever it takes to get it now matter what as far as I see it.

Don't be scared. I live in a VERY liberal state, am very active in the local Democratic party and noone I know wants Hillary to run. Most feminists can't stand her because she supported Bill when he was fooling around, most traditional women don't like her because of her power-grabbing. There are NO rumors of Hillary running within the Demcratic party. All those rumors seem to come from the conservative radio talkshow hosts. The people that seem to have the most buzz are Tom Vilsack and Bill Richardson. If Hillary runs, she won't make it past the Iowa caucuss.

kamikat

 

[Renderking Fisk]

You mean like our current president?

Say what? Whacha talk'n bout, Willis?

For the past 4 years, 'Dubya's been a RINO: Republican In Name Only. Much of his chritisim is generated by networks such as "See B.S." who believe he can't do anything right and he can't win with those people.

He's not conservitive enough for my taste.

 

[BBanzai]

I think he's a right-wing religious loon. It's all relative I guess

BTW, what's "chritisim"?

 

[Renderking Fisk]

"chritisim" is a byproduct of typing to fast and not pressing F-7.

Are you here just to cause trouble, or are you capable of actually participating in a conversation?

 

[BBanzai]

Stating a contrary opinion is causing trouble? You don't think Bush is conservative enough, I find him very conservative (and dangerous). What's the problem?

 

[Fuente]

When the history of the Clinton Presidency is written, not the scandals, the legislative agenda that he and the Democratic Party point to as his achievements were items that the Republican Congress (under Newts Leadership) brought forward in the contract with America. Balanced Budget, Welfare Reform etc. Clinton's own agenda Socialized Medicine, Midnight Basketball etc. never saw the light of day. His funding of additional police was and still remains smoke and mirrors as the number of police on the street has not increased anything like the numbers he promised.

Newt is a lightning rod for the liberal press and will not make it through the primaries. He is the brightest of the current crop of candidates. Whoever does get the Republican Nomination would do well to listen very closely to Newt's agenda. Rudy is a conservative on Defense and law & order issues and more liberal on domestic and social issues he may not play that well with another 4 years separating him from 9/11. McCain is a Democrat in a Republican disguise and the South will not support him in a big way.

Next 2 years will be interesting as both parties realign.

Rich.

 

[Renderking Fisk]

Rich,

Your observations are pretty good and spot on. But I don’t think the same “Laws of Political Physics� that existed before still apply.

‘Dubya was a lightning rod for the past 4 or more years, yet he was still re-elected. With bad press such as “F911� and garbage coming from “Move On� and “See B.S.�, you would have thought that ‘Dubya didn’t stand a chance. Could this bad press have done more to ELECT ‘Dubya?

Newt can and will make it through he primaries if he sticks with the issues and focus on what he’s done and prepared to do. Once he gets into the emotional realm and takes the controversy the media dishes out personally, he’ll be in dangerous territory.

The “ideals� and causes the liberal democrats took up alienated moderate democrats and conservative alike.

I would like to see Joe Liberman run for president. Listening to what he had to say last time he ran sounded more like what I’ve been trying to say, only better. Conservatives need to give him a closer look.

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[kamikat]

I would like to see Joe Liberman run for president. Listening to what he had to say last time he ran sounded more like what I’ve been trying to say, only better. Conservatives need to give him a closer look.

Yeah, but he has the same problem that Kerry, Gore and Dukakis had (other than political views), NO CHARISMA. The man is like a wet noodle. AND, to be honest, I'm not sure this country is willing to elect an observant Jew yet.

kamkat

 

[Renderking Fisk]

Yeah, but he has the same problem that Kerry, Gore and Dukakis had (other than political views), NO CHARISMA. The man is like a wet noodle. AND, to be honest, I'm not sure this country is willing to elect an observant Jew yet.

kamkat

And that’s a REALLY, REALLY sad truth. I think someone like Liberman coudl close some of the divisions in this country.

 

[Bogie1943]

yeah...

Hey, I know she has no chance what so ever of winning or anything like that. It's just the fact that she may run, I can't stand her rediculously prepared and rehearsed statements. I mean the woman has never spoken a word that has not been written and prepared for in her life. I saw her once on a show about the Waldorf in NYC, just greeting the staff, I was like on my, can't she even be relaxed for once. Ahhh, what a piece of work. I just can't imagine watching debates and having to listen to her.

 

[Renderking Fisk]

I'm with you, Bogie... I don't like the way she talks down to people. Never have. I think that covers up for not having any real issues.

Read what Dick Moris has to say about her.

 

[Fuente]

I agree for the most part with your comments, and hope that Newt can weather the media storm. Newt taught History at West Georgia College (now the University of West Georgia) and would, with the right cabinet and a congressional majority, make a very good President.

Leiberman would probably not carry the South because of his abortion stand and even today (2005) his religion may hurt in the deep south. As a fellow Hebrew it pains me to say that, but living in the town where Newt taught, it is probably true.

If the Democratic Party ever returns to being a 'Party' rather than a coalition of various groups, e.g. Pro Abortionists, Radical Environmentalists, Poverty Pimps, Animal Rights Extremists, and the Socialist Left, Leiberman would make a good candidate. However I do not see the Democratic Center and Right taking back control of the Party. They are still missing why Democrates like me and Zell Miller vote Republican.

The policies of the left failed for the 40 years they held congressional power. High taxes, soft on the military, social programs that have kept poor black and white americans on the liberal plantation for decades, just don't attract voters in the 21st century.

Rich

 

[SappySwami]

CFR works GREAT!

Yeah, yeah, I know it failed. It was the spirit that I liked. Actually the problems we have with campaign finances will take a long time to fix, and I doubt they ever will, because the best solutions are always getting shot down as unconstitutional. (Whether they are or not is a topic for another day.)

Actually, I really hope Hillary doesn't run. Not only is she the most hated democrat and has no chance of winning, she's also is far too conservative for me, and many democrats and third partiers that I know. How she can be subject to both, I don't know. But yeah, it'll never work.

As for Lieberman, I don't know anything about him, really, but I would hope not being a white, evangelical Christian stops him from running. (It's hard enough for Catholics to get voted in. Three times they've ran, with only one win with JFK.) It is sad to think such a small percentage of the population is even eligible to be president in a supposed democracy.

(And Zell Miller is a republican, I think he just keeps forgetting to turn in his voter registration card with his new party affiliation. He also scares me. 0_0)