Going Atomic With Dalton

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  1. hatsRme

    hatsRme I'll Lock Up

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    HA!!!
    Mazel tov, Jim! That kind of rounds out the collection
     
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  2. Frunobulax

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    This is only the second one I've seen. In fact, it may be the same one I bid on and lost a couple years ago. I came up short on this one, too; however, the winner didn't pony up and I was afforded a second chance offer.

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  3. steur

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    Well, here we go. This may be the first Dalton to make its way overseas and I'm glad
    Dalton in white-ish colour, let's say chalk, with a cream/ivory brim binding and ribbon. Size 55 (close enough to my 56 to give it a nudge) with the bound brim at 7cm and crown 11cm at the center dent. Final shape is yet to be determined.
    The pictures show it sagging through the shape I gave it just by its weight (and it weighs only 100 grams).
    This is very much a white knight kind of hat. There's lots of attention to detail in the finishing (like the way the back-seam of the sweatband has been done). The felt is very soft, especially on the crown, and seems a bit more loosely felted than for instance the similar looking Knox twentyfive. But a nice hand to it and quite thin and light.

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  4. Frunobulax

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    Love the light hats, Stefan - and love that it's a Dalton. Good get, wear it in good health.
     
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  5. steur

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    Thanks, Jim. I'm glad I got it.
     
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  6. Frunobulax

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    Dalton #7. Photo is eBay's. More to come upon delivery.

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    Too small for me at 6 7/8, but it's Mrs. Fruno's size. Sold originally out of Kaufman's in Pittsburgh, it has a Kaufman, rather than Dalton, liner. there were only 4 pics to go on, so I'm curious on what's hiding in there I haven't seen.
     
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  7. steur

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    Nice catch, Jim. I didn't follow it until the end, but it didn't go for much, did it? Looks to be in very good condition.
     
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  8. Frunobulax

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    Nah, I scored this for about $26 bucks after taxes and shipping. Cheap to satisfy my curiosity and get the Mrs. a new hat.
     
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  9. Frunobulax

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    Here are some shots of the Dalton I picked up for my wife on eBay last week. All of the markings are from Kaufmann's in Pittsburgh. However, a debossment on the sweat says "by Dalton." Very nice felt, rather heavy and dense. Overwelt brim with some decorative stitching, and the teal ribbon is great. Not a lot behind the sweatband, just a generic black and white size tag. You wouldn't know it's a Dalton if not for the sweatband. She likes it, so it's a win.

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  10. steur

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    A fine looking hat, Jim. The pics give a much better idea about the hat than the original auction shots.
     
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  11. Frunobulax

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    Ads from the Yonkers Herald Statesman. Abe Pikarsky's Dalton Factory Outlet Hat Store moved into 53 Palisades St. in Yonkers, a larger location than it's 16 School St. location. The Dalton Factory, employing over 100 workers, was located at 61 Main St.

    Feb. 4, 1938

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    Sep 15, 1939

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    April 4, 1942

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  12. Frunobulax

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    Cont.

    May 28, 1943
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    Nov 22, 1946

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    April 8, 1949

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    Oct 14, 1949

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    April 6, 1951

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    The next ad is important, as it supports the previously posted information that the company went out of business in 1953. The outlet has added Champ hats, but still has Daltons in stock.

    Sep 17, 1954

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    And going out of business shows no Daltons, but Champ and Caxton hats for sale.

    March 8, 1956.

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  13. Frunobulax

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    The latest. Dalton "Beaver Suede Finish." Interesting felted ribbon/bow treatment. Also note the "Controlled Brim." I believe this to be the brim treatment patented by Harry Siegelbaum, the President of the Dalton Hat Company. If it weren't for a light little critter nibbling, I'd call it pristine.

    https://patents.google.com/?q=seigelbaum,+Harry&q=A42C1/06

    Open Crown: 5 1/2"
    Brim Width: 2 3/4" with that I would call an overwelt with a decorative stitch.

    On with the pics...

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    The patent referenced above indicates a rubber tube being inside here. Not sure about that, it pretty much feels like an overwelt. Additionally, the patent describes the brim treatment as being for hats with a lower quality of felt. The felt is rather thick and dense, but I think it's not "lower quality." Not certain if a lower quality hat would feature a Beaver Suede Finish. However, the liner on this one doesn't have a quality designation (Regal Quality, etc.), that we've seen in some other Daltons. I think I'll avoid cutting it open to see.

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  14. Frunobulax

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    The Weinstock, Lubin and Company in Sacramento.

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  15. steur

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    That's a nice find, Jim. I'm usually not all that keen on self felted ribbons, but this one works very well I think.
     
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  16. Randall Renshaw

    Randall Renshaw One Too Many

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    6BBF9EE0-BF07-4430-BA86-4161FE6BA7E1.jpeg My first Dalton came to me in fairly rough shape in a med.dark gray.
    It not only needed a full refurb to include a re-block and flange, but because of deep stubborn stains in the felt it ended up getting dyed to a midnight blue. The wide binding features 4 rows of decorative stitching adding to this Dalton’s exclusivity.
    It came with blue grosgrain, but because of sweat and wear it was faded quite red in places, which I re-dyed to an even blue.
    Sewed her all back together and gave it a diamond crease. The felt is super sweet. BA4E9736-5BC0-4B32-A06A-09990EE3D634.jpeg BDF9A365-912E-4F79-86AC-F223EF75E97A.jpeg

    The small word you see here says, “Oxford”. Don’t know why it bares this name, but I’ve seen this exact same small name stamp used on a different hat brand, but don’t remember what the other brand was.
    ...And just what is a “saxony hare”?

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  17. Randall Renshaw

    Randall Renshaw One Too Many

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    This dove gray “World’s Finest” Dalton with gold binding is a beautiful example of the perfect fedora—if you were to ask me. I’m so happy to have this one in my humble collection.
    “Premier quality”. Don’t know if that’s Dalton’s best felt, but it sure is nice.
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    Added this last photo to show that I had added the all important wind trolley. Now it’s fully loaded and fully satisfying.
    Chose not to attach the trolley to the bow, ala Dalton style, so it’ll be useable just in case an Ohio bound wind picks up while wearing it. B07BF62A-5DDB-4F6B-9154-36864CC1745D.jpeg
     
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    Randall Renshaw One Too Many

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    B2B7CF0A-991C-47CC-BA12-DF5B93603356.jpeg 90616263-F73D-4C3C-93B8-B790FB3DC965.jpeg This dark gray “America’s Finest” Features a dark purple grosgrain ribbon with contrasting dark gray binding that blends right into the felt color.
    This Dalton also stands out with an embroidered liner tip. No quality designation, but the felt is thick and dense and still sports the diamond crease it came to me with. 60A91F07-D7F6-470D-8AC2-A961E027BAE4.jpeg

    Came with a rare box, too, but it’s blown apart at the seams more so than not. I’ll repair it later.
    An astute observer may notice that these last two Daltons were originally purchased at the same store in Sacramento that Jim posted photos of above. So, too, were the two Crofut and Knapps. The ole mid Cal boy with at least 4 hats must’ve had good taste!
    Incidentally, my Mother grew up only a few miles from Sacramento in a small town called Woodland.
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    Randall Renshaw One Too Many

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    F4F1243E-0A6C-48F4-92FC-C3F23BC0FFDA.jpeg FB0C9C35-4C3D-4713-B7E6-429AF59F9ECA.jpeg This brown Dalton came with the dark gray one in a twofer deal from the same eBay seller, who I was lucky to be able to buy two Crofut and Knapps the next day while perusing eBay again.
    Out of the 4 fedoras the original owner had, he must’ve really liked wearing this one as it was well worn.
    The reedless sweat was mostly unattached and the OR styled thin ribbon was irretrievably sweat stained and unraveled.
    I dyed 1 1/2” white vintage grosgrain to this copper-ish color and sewed it on with a low dip at the bow keep.
    The original sweat was stitched back to the felt and I’ll admit that is some seriously tedious work!
    Yes. Wish I would’ve used a lighter brown thread, too.
    I thought this hat would look great with just a center crease and an unsnapped brim. I like it. Comfy, dress hat.
    The last photo represents the copper color of the ribbon best. Don’t know why it looks so red in the others. 365096BB-EE0A-4277-B938-28A0ED4F38EC.jpeg 50DA6266-A281-4B34-BF9F-E6E4D0F0A9AB.jpeg 8E4CB0CD-5076-4C86-8003-83DD275A60CD.jpeg
     
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  20. Frunobulax

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    @RandallRenshaw,

    Wish I knew the quality designation hierarchy. Regal and Premier, but not certain which is above the other.

    The one I bought from the seller was the first one he listed. He indicated more Daltons were coming, but the window closed for me before I saw them. He indicated later they sold within minutes, so you must have seen them right away. Then he tried to sell me a Dorfman Pacific, LOL.

    On the one with the gold brim binding - do you think that's the original color?
     

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