Baron Hats in the news...funny!

[Panamabob]

Shirley Jones' Hubby Caught on Surveillance Tape

http://www.tmz.com/2008/12/26/shirley-jones-hubby-caught-on-surveillance-tape/

 

[Colby Jack]

Looking at that video...I don't think he stole the hat...looked like he made a mistake to me...but if he's been buying hats regularly from Barron's, they probably owe him a hat for all that overcharging they do...

 

[Lefty]

The question is, is it petty theft or grand theft? A $500 Barons hat is $75 hat anywhere else, so depending on which number is considered the worth of the hat, Mr. Ingles may or may not be voting in the next election.

Price, for purposes of determining degree of a theft crime of a retail item, is based upon what the seller is charging. Otherwise, while things like diamonds might have a defined index, you'd need a dump truck to beat any state's threshold for a felony theft of clothing, toys, or anything else made in China.

How value is determined in Ohio.

R.C. 2913.61
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(D) The following criteria shall be used in determining the value of property or services involved in a theft offense:

(1) The value of an heirloom, memento, collector’s item, antique, museum piece, manuscript, document, record, or other thing that has intrinsic worth to its owner and that either is irreplaceable or is replaceable only on the expenditure of substantial time, effort, or money, is the amount that would compensate the owner for its loss.

(2) The value of personal effects and household goods, and of materials, supplies, equipment, and fixtures used in the profession, business, trade, occupation, or avocation of its owner, which property is not covered under division (D)(1) of this section and which retains substantial utility for its purpose regardless of its age or condition, is the cost of replacing the property with new property of like kind and quality.

(3) The value of any real or personal property that is not covered under division (D)(1) or (2) of this section, and the value of services, is the fair market value of the property or services. As used in this section, “fair market value” is the money consideration that a buyer would give and a seller would accept for property or services, assuming that the buyer is willing to buy and the seller is willing to sell, that both are fully informed as to all facts material to the transaction, and that neither is under any compulsion to act.

(E) Without limitation on the evidence that may be used to establish the value of property or services involved in a theft offense:

(1) When the property involved is personal property held for sale at wholesale or retail, the price at which the property was held for sale is prima-facie evidence of its value.

(2) When the property involved is a security or commodity traded on an exchange, the closing price or, if there is no closing price, the asked price, given in the latest market quotation prior to the offense is prima-facie evidence of the value of the security or commodity.

(3) When the property involved is livestock, poultry, or raw agricultural products for which a local market price is available, the latest local market price prior to the offense is prima-facie evidence of the value of the livestock, poultry, or products.

(4) When the property involved is a negotiable instrument, the face value is prima-facie evidence of the value of the instrument.

(5) When the property involved is a warehouse receipt, bill of lading, pawn ticket, claim check, or other instrument entitling the holder or bearer to receive property, the face value or, if there is no face value, the value of the property covered by the instrument less any payment necessary to receive the property is prima-facie evidence of the value of the instrument.

(6) When the property involved is a ticket of admission, ticket for transportation, coupon, token, or other instrument entitling the holder or bearer to receive property or services, the face value or, if there is no face value, the value of the property or services that may be received by the instrument is prima-facie evidence of the value of the instrument.

(7) When the services involved are gas, electricity, water, telephone, transportation, shipping, or other services for which the rate is established by law, the duly established rate is prima-facie evidence of the value of the services.

(8) When the services involved are services for which the rate is not established by law, and the offender has been notified prior to the offense of the rate for the services, either in writing, orally, or by posting in a manner reasonably calculated to come to the attention of potential offenders, the rate contained in the notice is prima-facie evidence of the value of the services.

 

[John in Covina]

On Purpose or by mistake?

 

[The Wolf]

I like Marty Ingles but I have to admit he is an "odd duck". Anything is possible with him.[huh]

Sincerely,
The Wolf

 

[Mike in Seattle]

Value above $250 - felony in CA, I believe.

The tape's a few days old and the police are investigating - meaning Ingels didn't bring the hat back. If you've been out shopping and get home and found you'd accidentally picked up something, wouldn't you immediately take it back to the store and explain? Or at least call them and let them know that's what you were intending to do? IMHO, he fusses with it way too much for it to have been a complete accident.

 

[Carlisle Blues]

Good old Marty

He is as mad as a hatter.