I am not sure where I fall in all of this. If we are refering to Levallois wonderfull new hat, it is most certainly not an OR but is a GREAT western......and if he were ever to tire of it As for others, I have two Stetsons with the same dimensions ribbons, binding and even a wind cord, but one is marked as an OR and the other is not. Both are 3X. I did post the second non OR marked hat under the OR thread for referance but belive it is simply one of their other models. In referancing the stockman cataloges both online and the ones I own, Stetson lists SEVERAL hats one would call an OR just looking at them but are listed as differant models........so........the name is in the eye of the beholder outside the obvious western hat 3X models. Best, M PS Here are some examples......each page has an OR clone with a differant model name......many I would call an OR .............but......as you can see, Stetson did not at the time. PS ..PS.....there are MANY examples of Stetson fedoras in this same situation.