The Flat Head vs The Real McCoy's: which jacket to choose?

Discussion in 'Outerwear' started by racepunter, Sep 9, 2021.

  1. racepunter

    racepunter New in Town

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    Hello, guys.

    I am a new member here and so do not know enough about HH jackets. Now I would like to buy my 1st HH jacket and I am faced with a choice of which jacket to buy from the two below:

    1. Joe McCoy Nelson 30’s Sport Jacket.

    2. The Flat Head Single Rider's Jacket.

    Please do not recommend other jackets to me, as I only want to choose from these two ones. The price for such jacket is not important for me as well.

    As I already know, the both jackets are made from Shinki. The only difference that I see is in finishing: the jacket from RMC has pigment finishing but the jacket form TFH has semi-aniline. Each finishing method has its + and -. Or am I mistaken?

    I am sure that most of you know much more differences between these jackets and can advice me the right one.

    I am not a biker and would like to use such jacket for city ware only.

    I will appreciate all your suggestions. Just tell me what you would choose if you have to buy one of the above jackets.
     
  2. BloodEagle

    BloodEagle One of the Regulars

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    Out of the two I would be inclined to go for the RmC 30's Sport Jacket - I dont know whether this is still the case but Flat Head stuff I have had in the past all seemed to be out of proportion wide in the shoulders for the actual jacket size, if that makes any sense - I dont know whether this has changed since their relaunch of whatever you want to call it. The examples of the 30s Sports Jackets I have seen look fantastic - if I was going to spend yet more money on jackets this would be the one I would go for next
     
  3. Monitor

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    Simple; Buy one that you like more. There aren't any cons and pros at this level.
     
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  4. Bfd70

    Bfd70 Call Me a Cab

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    Depending on your location I’d consider ordering both and returning 1. Numbers don’t always tell the story and that’s some pretty deep $ water.
     
  5. Jin431

    Jin431 Call Me a Cab

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    The flat head jacket seem to have a longer body length for this type of jacket and the RMC jacket looks just right
     
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  6. racepunter

    racepunter New in Town

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    I am now in the EU, so I cannot order the both from UK. If I have to return one of the jacket, I will loose the money that I should pay for Custom Duties.
     
  7. racepunter

    racepunter New in Town

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    The shoulders for 40-L size is 19.25. I asked the guy from London shop to check it. He confirmed that the actual shoulders size was the same.
     
  8. racepunter

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    I think that the leather on TFH is better because it is additionally oiled. And semi-aniline finishing is more attaractive than pigment one.
     
  9. racepunter

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    If we look here, the jacket does not looks long.
     
  10. BloodEagle

    BloodEagle One of the Regulars

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    19.25" shoulders on a size 40 jacket of this type is pretty big
     
  11. Monitor

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    There you have it. All you're going to hear is a truckload of subjective - Though nonetheless valid - preferences. Those are both top shelf jacket, you can't go wrong, one way or the other.

    To put my two cents in, 25.75" back seems perfectly fine to me.
     
  12. racepunter

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    I think you're right because Joe McCoy's Nelson has 18.50 for size 40.
     
  13. ton312

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    I like the RMC better. The collar alone looks better balanced. I also think TFH main zip looks cheap, don't care for the branding. Not to poo poo the Japanese repros (or any repro for that matter) but I just have to laugh at the price point for these jackets. They cost 10 times an original vintage piece but look 10 times worse:confused:.
     
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  14. TREEMAN

    TREEMAN One Too Many

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    Honestly I don't really see anything great or special about either one of them.....
     
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  15. Marc mndt

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    Zipper pull looks very cheap indeed. I also see an empty stitch hole and a wonky collar. And look at those stitch holes in general, looks like they used a thick needle. What makes this a €2450 jacket? I don't see it. At this price point I'd expect nothing but perfection.

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  16. racepunter

    racepunter New in Town

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    Here TFH jacket was sold and it looked very well in used condition.
     
  17. Marc mndt

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    From the same listing. Sloppy French seam. This might not be important for most people. But if it's not construction quality, what exactly are you paying for then?

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  18. Monitor

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    Yeah, I too saw some lousily made Flat Heads but I didn't know it's such a common occurrence. Then again, RMC has been known to do shoddy work, too.
     
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  19. Rgcards

    Rgcards One of the Regulars

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    I own both. I like TFH better because of the fit, I am al ittle broader and I think it looks better on me. The leather is a little grainier, but they both have nice leather. Honestly I dont look at stitch lines that carefully , the construction is fine on both to me. I would say it depends on your body type. The more tapered you are the more you will like the flat head. If you are a thinner guy the RMC is probably more your cup of tea . They are both nice, and both over priced, If you want the best bargain get a vanson or a higher level schott. People don't consider jackets like this based on value, if you think there is a justification for the price other than exclusivity an rareness you are wrong. You pay because you like the way it makes you feel.
     
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  20. racepunter

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    Maybe it really isn't worth paying that much money for one of these jackets, but buying something like this?

    Although as far as I already know, SB is not respected by most of the users of this forum.
     
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