Footwear to go with our jackets

Pandemic · Nov 28, 2020

dudewuttheheck said:
That design is way off, though. Even Onderhoud needs to redesign parts of his engineer and his look much better than these. Keep in mind, I love my Onderhoud boots and he does have the best designed engineer from Indonesia, but it still needs to be refined in a few ways.

What would you change about them?

I exchanged a few more messages with him. Seems like a lot of customisation is on the table (buckles, straps, heel shape, etc). The 2.3mm black Indonesian pull-up pictured would be $250 plus $70 shipping.

I’m not ready to throw money at him yet, but wondering if this is the 5* of boots.

Jin431 · Nov 28, 2020

JustinW said:
That’s getting into Wesco pricing, though. Do you have a link? Onderhoud is another that looks good but pricey.

They only take orders through instagram. I would love on onderhoud but it's almost next to impossible to get a slot

Mich486 · Nov 28, 2020

They look a bit like a Role Club rip off to me.

Things I personally don’t like are the buckles (damn they’re chunky!) and the slope of the heel imho is just too exaggerated. The lower strap also looks weird and I don’t understand why it extends so much above the last row of stitching?

They are reasonably priced though so perhaps a good way to venture into engineer boots?

Jin431 · Nov 28, 2020

They all kinda look the same to me whether American/Japanese/Indonesian makers. I really like this one but agree the hardware could be better

Turnip · Nov 28, 2020

I maybe kind of a lowbrow but those cranked heels appear to be pretty feminine imho. Now you may tar and feather me...

Edward · Nov 28, 2020

Is it only me genuinely never gives a thought to the perceived manliness of my own footwear?

Mich486 said:
One thing to consider with shorter boots like that is that they might get caught up in your trousers every time you sit or bend your legs.

That clearly is not an issue with Chelseas or side zip boots because they are much tighter around the ankle. I really like the first peco boots you posted. Those with a black suede/roughout shaft imho are going to look amazing.

I imagine a lot has to do with how wide your trews are. I tend not to wear anything smaller than about 17/18" at the hem, and it's never been a problem for me.

JustinW said:
What would you change about them?

I exchanged a few more messages with him. Seems like a lot of customisation is on the table (buckles, straps, heel shape, etc). The 2.3mm black Indonesian pull-up pictured would be $250 plus $70 shipping.

I’m not ready to throw money at him yet, but wondering if this is the 5* of boots.
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If they work out size and quality wise I do like the design a lot.

Mich486 said:
They look a bit like a Role Club rip off to me.

Things I personally don’t like are the buckles (damn they’re chunky!) and the slope of the heel imho is just too exaggerated. The lower strap also looks weird and I don’t understand why it extends so much above the last row of stitching?

They are reasonably priced though so perhaps a good way to venture into engineer boots?

I like it a lot, esp the chunky buckles. Subjectives aside, though, it would be great if there were affordable/mid price, good boots of this style.

Pandemic · Nov 28, 2020

Turnip said:
I maybe kind of a lowbrow but those cranked heels appear to be pretty feminine imho. Now you may tar and feather me...

I love a stacked logger/packer heel - for comfort and aesthetics.

If I do order another pair of engineers I’ll probably get one or two extra stacks on the heel of my Big Girl Boots.

El Marro · Nov 28, 2020

edmond said:
problem with bakers is that its always a hit and miss on the sizing with them. most of my friends sold their boots they got from bakers due to sizing issues mostly too small and narrow

I have bought four pairs of boots from them and they all fit great. Part of this might be that I always order 10.5 D unless it is a narrower last and then I go with an E width. I guess I have been lucky.

Colin G · Nov 29, 2020

El Marro said:
I have bought four pairs of boots from them and they all fit great. Part of this might be that I always order 10.5 D unless it is a narrower last and then I go with an E width. I guess I have been lucky.

My self as well. All my Whites or Wesco come from Baker's. Ordering boots over the internet or even with a foot tracing sent can be tricky and fit is always subjective. My fit suggested by Bakers was actually slightly different than what I went with. Since I trust no one, I simply ordered a random, stock pair of Smoke Jumpers and Job Masters for a test fit purposes so I could try them on, then returned them and ordered my custom pairs. The extra money spent on shipping test fit boots saved me from ordering a wrong size so it was well worth it to me to spend the extra cash for peace of mind.

Pandemic · Nov 29, 2020

Kyle emailed last night to say that the MP toe isn’t available in EE or wider

Jin431 · Nov 29, 2020

Not a boot but a new accessory from redwing Japan that I've been seeing a lot of.
I'm sure it will not be for everyone's taste but for some people this might be interesting.

Bfd70 · Nov 30, 2020

I’ve noticed some pics like that lately. I’ve been wearing zipper kits in my RW work boots since 1998. They're super functional in 8” boots. Aesthetics wise I guess it’s dealer’s choice.

Jin431 · Nov 30, 2020

^^ got it so this is not as new as I thought it was, I would imagine how helpful this is especially for people who live in the cold

handymike · Nov 30, 2020

The tongues in my mocs are attached on the sides, do the zippers keep out snow? What is their function?

Jin431 · Nov 30, 2020

I can't understand a lick of Japanese and there were no subtitles but the guy who was doing the demo looks like he just put on the accessory to do away with the whole routine of tying your laces and how easy it was to slip your boot on/off

Pandemic · Nov 30, 2020

This sorta thing:

https://www.danner.com/lace-in-boot-zipper.html

dudewuttheheck · Nov 30, 2020

JustinW said:
What would you change about them?

I exchanged a few more messages with him. Seems like a lot of customisation is on the table (buckles, straps, heel shape, etc). The 2.3mm black Indonesian pull-up pictured would be $250 plus $70 shipping.

I’m not ready to throw money at him yet, but wondering if this is the 5* of boots.
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The buckles are too large and bulky, the strap width looks too wide, the last doesn't flatten out properly in the toe and the instep is too high/slanted, this gives the boot the look of leaning forward too much. Also, the shaft is too wide.

The biggest thing is that the last just is not right for an engineer. As with almost all new makers trying to do engineers really quickly without actually doing real research, they seem to simply use Chelsea boot lasts or whatever slim last they already have and turn that into an engineer. If you really know your engineers, you can spot that from a mile away and it looks cheap.

Also, I would advise you not to buy anything made with Indonesian leather uppers. Indonesian tanneries are not there yet.

I'm not saying to avoid Indonesian boots overall. I have Onderhouds and love them (lace to toe logger boots) and Winson looks fantastic.

edmond · Nov 30, 2020

JustinW said:
Kyle emailed last night to say that the MP toe isn’t available in EE or wider

oh really? go straight to wesco ask for chris tell him edie recd you they can do a EE dude

edmond · Nov 30, 2020

as for the indonesian boots theyre 250 bucks dude that is cheap !

Turnip · Nov 30, 2020

RW8859 with even navier Schott Nixon

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