Had to return the Vanson Raid. The size 38 had 58 cm /almost 23" pit to pit and fit like a 42. Unfortunately the retailer doesn't stock the size 36 because the jacket itself is insanely cool, hands down coolest non-belted crosszip I have owned. Broad shoulders, very narrow waist, great range of motion, perfect pocket set-up and due to lack of belt/other bikerish design details very wearable off the bike. I hated having to return it. Ordered a Five Stars Leather Windbreaker in goatskin now, very curious how that will play out.