Questions About the United States Navy Peacoat

Discussion in 'Outerwear' started by Matt Jones, Aug 30, 2005.

  1. Graffspee

    Graffspee New in Town

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    Just thought I would share these pics of mid to late 19th. century sailors wearing peacoats just as a reference. They are much longer than the ones around the turn of the century onward . I just find it interesting how they developed over time......

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  2. Peacoat

    Peacoat I'll Lock Up

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    And welcome aboard Mr. Graffspee. I take it these are sailors in the Royal Navy and not the US Navy?
     
  3. Graffspee

    Graffspee New in Town

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    The First 2 are U.S. Navy Civil War or just post Civil War and the 3rd one is a Confederate Navy sailor.......These are the earliest photos I have seen of sailors wearing peacoats.......
     
  4. Peacoat

    Peacoat I'll Lock Up

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    A good find. Thank you for posting.
     
  5. Spoonbelly

    Spoonbelly One of the Regulars

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    1967 Pea Coat

    Hey Mr. Poohbang,
    Is that 1967 size 44 still avaliable? I'd be very interested if the measurements are right for me. Thank you.
     
  6. Hackman21

    Hackman21 New in Town

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    Old Peacoat - Worth??

    I have this old Navy Peacoat from 1925. It is Authentic, it has a persons name inscribed inside the inner pocket. It also has the Name/list number and and date printed on the inside of the coat. Pictures below.

    If anyone has any idea of its worth, that would be greatly appreciated!

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  7. Lone_Ranger

    Lone_Ranger Practically Family

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    Most of those metal buttons are made by the Waterbury Button Company. I don't know if they sell direct, or not. You could try Marlowe White. It's a company that specializes in US Military Uniforms. (If you want "p" "s" or "FD" buttons I have a couple of contacts for you)
     
  8. Spoonbelly

    Spoonbelly One of the Regulars

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    Old Pea Coat

    That old pea coat is from 1972.
     
  9. Peacoat

    Peacoat I'll Lock Up

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    Yep, 1972.

    Lone Ranger: I copied the information below from a recent post I made in response to a question at the end of last month about the pewter buttons:

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    "The link is below. Go to the right of the top of the page and your buttons are there. I believe it is the Military spec. silver oxide button, but I'm not positive.

    You will need to know the size in inches of the buttons you want, and then convert to a ligne size. I used to know how to do it, but that is water under the bridge. I can probably figure it out, though. If you know how, let me know to save me some brain cell usage.

    I just measured one of my buttons, and it comes to right at 1".

    [Edit note: a 1" button is 40 Ligne.]

    Here is the link:

    http://www.waterburybutton.com/cart/...dproduct=21309 "
     
  10. votan

    votan New in Town

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    hey all, i thought i'd post some info re: contract dates on tags. while i was in the US navy (84-88 active; 88-94 reserve) i was issued 2 pea coats. the first was the one i talked about earlier that had silver metal buttons. i finally made it back to my parents' house to look at the coats. my boot camp coat has a tag date of 1978 and was issued in 1st week of oct. 1984. i have a second pea coat that i bought (i bought 2 for 10.00 and later gave one to my college girlfriend. i thought i gave her my boot coat but that coat only has my name in it. the 'second hand' coats have the original issue guy's name crossed out) at the exchange in great lakes NTC in jan. 85. at a shop that sold "used" seabag gear from recruits who were dropped out of boot camp. this also has a 1978 tag. maybe that sheds some light on contract numbers vs. when they were issued. BTW, my 2nd issue coat from the reserves was issued in aug. 1990 and has the 1/2 satin liner, no inside pockets, no inside button, white cotton lined pockets with an extra pocket sewn into the RH side one. the only tag is a small 1 1/8 x 1 1/8 one up by the collar with the number 8405-01-154-5790 and the size above it. i never wore this coat and it still has the inspector tag in the pocket.
     
  11. BanjoMerlin

    BanjoMerlin A-List Customer

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    I went to boot camp in May of 1975 and I was issued a BLUE pea coat with plastic buttons but others in my company were issued BLACK pea coats with the metal buttons. The BLACK pea coats with metal buttons came in when the enlisted uniform changed from the "crackerjack" to the officer-style double-breasted suit - which was also black. Recruits were issued whatever was on top of the pile until the BLUE ones were gone.

    Those first BLACK pea coats didn't have any extra insulation, they were a thinner wool and not nearly as warm as the older BLUE coats. This was a big deal for folks stationed at Great Lakes in the winter.

    I can still remember the pain (literally) of changing those plastic buttons to the metal ones.
     
  12. Spoonbelly

    Spoonbelly One of the Regulars

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    I was just e-mailing back and forth someone who enlisted and was issued a pea coat in 1964. The coat turns out to have tags from a 1950 coat???? If anybody is looking for a size 42 from 1950, said to be in mint condition, it is now on craigslist.org from Ohmaha. The asking price however is quite steep - $220.00.
     
  13. Peacoat

    Peacoat I'll Lock Up

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    Yes, that does happen. While rare, it isn't unusual. And yes, that price is quite steep. I can see it for a WWII coat in good condition, but not a 1950s version. They are hard to find, but are out there.
     
  14. acl1

    acl1 New in Town

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    Peacoat Weights

    Hey guys, hope you go easy on a newcomer here. After perusing through the stickied threads and a few peacoat threads, I was wondering what the weight of all these awesome vintage pea coats were. For example, I just heard back from an ebay seller (possibly a member of this forum) who said that the 1940s peacoat he was auctioning weighed 4 lbs 8 oz (38R, Length 35). I was hoping some of you good fellas could give me the weights of your peacoat(s) for comparison. Thanks for any help you can provide,
    Aaron
     
  15. CC-1

    CC-1 Familiar Face

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    hold on till Monday and I'll weigh my 1944 size 38. It's 32-1/2inches back of neck to hem. My current Sterlingwear 38R is 33 inches. 35 seems long...
     
  16. Peacoat

    Peacoat I'll Lock Up

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    I measured two of my peacoats, a WWII and a 1965 "US NAVY" tag. Both weighed 5.5 pounds (approximately) and both are a size 42. I don't have a size 38 to compare for you.
     
  17. CC-1

    CC-1 Familiar Face

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    Ok- got to a store with a digital scale:
    1944 is 4-1/4 lbs
    2010 is 3-3/4 lbs

    can't get to my 1966 it's seems marginally heavier than both but has more material in the flaps.

    All coats 38R
     
  18. Peacoat

    Peacoat I'll Lock Up

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    Since 1980 the material (Melton wool) has been lighter than the pre 1980 material (Kersey wool). I would think, based on my weights above, that your 1966 would be about the same weight as your 1944.

    BTW, how do you date the WWII coat specifically to 1944? Did it belong to a family member?
     
  19. CC-1

    CC-1 Familiar Face

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    Yes, I agree the '66 would be essentially the same especially since the weights on yours were.
    No, no family. The miracle was that in addition to the "clothing factory" tag, there was still a legible neck tag with the #NXSX65086. Using the information from a militaria forum, I interpolated the date accordingly:

    "...The following is a series put together for NXSX contracts. They are not applicable to any other contracting bureau as they use their own numerical system. You can use this by plugging in your contract number and find out approximately when your item was made."
    NXSX
    16868 Oct 1942
    19958 Dec 1942
    21747 Jan 1943
    23534 Feb 1943
    27612 Apr 1943
    28180 May1943
    32566 Jun 1943
    37374 Sep 1943

    47990 Jan 1944
    51656 Feb1944
    55601 Mar 1944
    58293 Apr 1944
    63353 May 1944
    64856 Jun 1944
    71083 Jul 1944
    74718 Aug 1944
    77162 Sep 1944
    82724 Oct 1944
    87107 Dec 1944

    This would put the coat into the Jun 1944 slot.
    I will post pictures of the coat with details and cite the militaria forum soon.
     
  20. acl1

    acl1 New in Town

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    Thank you all very much for the help.
     

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