GHT, Never heard of a heel insert like that, I've at times resorted to using moleskin in that fashion, will have to check it out. Thanks for the suggestion. I just have to be selective on my shoes as far as the heel area goes, no way I can afford custom made shoes. Much as I wish I could, its a wish for when I strike the lottery, heh. I do have dress shoes from over 10 years ago, the military drummed into my thick skull to rotate my shoes (boots), it allows them to dry out in between wearings. Course they never thought of that when they made me a food service specialist, only 1 pair of dress shoes to go with our cook whites & my chow sgt frowned upon our wearing our boots with them. (shrugs) And thank you for the picture, no I hadnt seen it, you & the missus (I presume? hope?) look very nice in the pic, very sharp. That's why I love my VS black cherry, it goes so well with the various shades of grey I wear & I have a pair of cordon oxford shoes I occasionally wear with the light greys. Thank you again for the info, pics & suggestions, I'll keep them close, you sir have inspired me.