Vanson Model B Compared to Schott 141 (sizing and other observations)

Discussion in 'Outerwear' started by inspiribomb, Jan 12, 2020.

  1. inspiribomb

    inspiribomb New in Town

    Messages:
    15
    Location:
    SC
    Hi everyone, first post here. I recently acquired a lovely Vanson Model B, and wanted to share my story, especially since it seems many people consider this jacket along with the Schott 141 and 641.

    TL;DR - Both are terrific jackets, but have different cuts/fit.

    Rewind several years, and I recall falling in love with the Schott 141 at a local leather shop in a little town called Osceola. The thick, soft leather, the fit, and the way it transformed my look when I put it on. My wife surprised me with one for my birthday, and I wear it to this day, mostly on the motorcycle, but also whenever I can out and about.

    Somewhere along the way, I think I stumbled across this forum, and started looking at similar jackets. The Schott 641, Vanson Model B, etc. Having a muscular build, I thought maybe the 641 or B might have a more tailored fit to my body type.

    Neither of these jackets are easy to come by locally, so trying to figure out my size was a challenge. I wear a size 44 Schott 141, but recall requiring a size 48 Vanson Comet when I tried it on. I read and read and read, trying to figure out which Model B size would be best. Maybe if I read long enough the internet would tell me which size I needed...

    The opportunity came up to buy a Model B in competition weight cowhide. I decided to take a chance, and had the assurance that I could return the jacket if it didn't fit. As I started putting on the jacket, I was expecting to get it on about half way before it got stuck and wouldn't go any further (I had this expectation firmly in my head, so that I wouldn't be TOO disappointed when it didn't fit). Much to my surprise and glee, it slipped on like it was made just for me.

    Being accustomed to the typical very STIFF Vanson jackets, I was surprised at how soft and supple this one felt. Reaching out to Vanson proved to be a worthwhile and quite pleasant experience. They informed me that the jacket is indeed competition cowhide, and was produced in 1996. I suppose that is why it's so well broken in - its about 24 years old! I did get some of the Vanson leather balm, which seemed to make the leather even softer.

    So, which do I like more - the Schott 141 or Vanson Model B? Tough call. They are both stellar garments. I think the Vanson wears better off the bike, and has a slimmer, more fitted look/feel/fit. It could be a sizing thing, or the way they are cut. I think the Schott would be better for someone with some extra pounds in their belly. I expect both would last multiple lifetimes if taken care of.

    So, I want to provide some sizing information that may be helpful to someone else trying to decide. And of course, will end with some pictures :) Will post more with some better lighting to show fit and comparison between the two.


    Me - 5'11", 230 pounds, muscular build, 43.5" chest

    Schott 141 Size 44 - Fits well with room for a sweatshirt underneath. 42 would likely be too tight in the shoulders, but may be good for someone with a smaller build or who likes the "second skin" fit (I do not). 46 would be too big. Leather is buttery soft brand new, with little break-in necessary.

    Vanson Model B Size 46 - Fits very well, more fitted than the 141. Has room for a light sweatshirt, probably not anything too bulky or would be tight. I think a 44 would be too small, and 48 would be too big. Can't speak to the new leather, but Vanson is notorious for being extremely stiff, and taking a lot of time/effort to break in. Once broken in (like mine) they are incredible.


    [​IMG]

    [​IMG]
     
  2. sweetfights

    sweetfights Call Me a Cab

    Messages:
    2,521
    Location:
    Canada
    Congratulations and welcome.
    Consider posting fit photo’s.
    Fit photo is worth a thousand words
     
  3. inspiribomb

    inspiribomb New in Town

    Messages:
    15
    Location:
    SC
    Here are a few fit photos. I am neither a photographer nor a model :) I did cinch the buckles up as that seemed to fit the best.

    [​IMG]
    [​IMG]
    [​IMG]
    [​IMG]
     
  4. Bfd70

    Bfd70 One Too Many

    Messages:
    1,997
    Location:
    Chicago
    That Vanson appears to be in great shape.
     
  5. TREEMAN

    TREEMAN One Too Many

    Messages:
    1,193
    Location:
    USA
    GO VANSON !!
     
    Mich486 likes this.
  6. Monitor

    Monitor

    Messages:
    11,260
    Model B is the closest I've got to owning a perfect leather jacket.
     
    Psant25 and Justhandguns like this.
  7. Justhandguns

    Justhandguns Practically Family

    Messages:
    747
    Location:
    London
    In my opinion, Vanson is a much better jacket than the Schott, especially when you go for their competition grade leather.
     
  8. SinSir

    SinSir A-List Customer

    Messages:
    352
    I have to agree 7 out of 10 times (arbitrary ratio for sake of argument) Vanson is a better jacket than Schott. I feel much more secure and trust Vanson on the bike more by a mile. I do find my 671 to be one of my most comfortable jackets on the bike though. I don't feel like I'm wearing a suit of leather armor like Vanson or have the support but it is very comfortable.

    After handling countless examples of each there are a lot of Vansons I still want and very few Schott. This wasn't always the case. I like Schott, but I'm a huge fan of Vanson.
     
    El Marro, Monitor and Carlos840 like this.
  9. Monitor

    Monitor

    Messages:
    11,260
    Yep, same. Vanson, in general, will make you a better jacket but Schott isn't far behind and when they truly try, they'll make an equally impressive product.

    Schott CXL stuff is very, very impressive.
     
    SinSir likes this.
  10. SinSir

    SinSir A-List Customer

    Messages:
    352
    I agree 110% the CXL is on a whole different level than the rest of Schott. I need!
     
    Monitor likes this.
  11. inspiribomb

    inspiribomb New in Town

    Messages:
    15
    Location:
    SC
    After wearing the Vanson for a while, I switched back to the Schott 141, but cinched up the side buckles. It now fits a bit more like the Vanson, but does not quite have that tailored look and feel that the Model B has. Having said that, I enjoy both immensely :)
     
  12. KissMyMuscle

    KissMyMuscle One of the Regulars

    Messages:
    214
    How do you compare B and 141's sleeve lengths?
     
  13. inspiribomb

    inspiribomb New in Town

    Messages:
    15
    Location:
    SC
    I tried both on back-to-back, jacket zipped up half-way, sleeves zipped about half-way.

    The Vanson sleeves come down to right about my first thumb knuckle (where thumbs attach to my hand) with my arms relaxed at my sides. With my arms raised perpendicular to the ground (simulating riding position), the sleeves pull back right about to my wrists.

    The Schott sleeves come past my first thumb knuckle, and a bit past my wrists in the same positions mentioned above.

    From a fit perspective, the Schott sleeves are slightly longer. I have not measured them to compare, this purely based on how the jackets fit my body.
     
    KissMyMuscle likes this.
  14. KissMyMuscle

    KissMyMuscle One of the Regulars

    Messages:
    214
    Thanks.

    If you have time, Would you please measure both's sleeve lengths?
     
  15. inspiribomb

    inspiribomb New in Town

    Messages:
    15
    Location:
    SC
    Sure thing. Where would you like the measurement taken from? Where the sleeve attaches to the shoulder?
     
  16. KissMyMuscle

    KissMyMuscle One of the Regulars

    Messages:
    214
    Yes, from shoulder to the wrist opening along the outside curve.
     
  17. Carlos840

    Carlos840 My Mail is Forwarded Here

    Messages:
    3,194
    Location:
    London
    KissMyMuscle and inspiribomb like this.
  18. inspiribomb

    inspiribomb New in Town

    Messages:
    15
    Location:
    SC
    Hmmm well this is certainly interesting.

    Schott 141 - 26"
    Vanson Model B - 26.5"
     
    KissMyMuscle likes this.
  19. KissMyMuscle

    KissMyMuscle One of the Regulars

    Messages:
    214
    Thanks, this is really helpful. seems vanson's sleeve lengths wore shorter than schott. Do you feel the 141's sleeve more straighter and roomier? Is 141's wrist opening as tight as model B?
     
  20. inspiribomb

    inspiribomb New in Town

    Messages:
    15
    Location:
    SC
    Actually, the Model B sleeves appear straighter to my eyes, while the Schott 141 sleeves appear more curved. The Model B sleeves definitely cinch down tighter. I can feel it in my wrists, and my MC gloves/gauntlets are easier to slide over the sleeves of the Vanson.
     
    KissMyMuscle likes this.

Share This Page

  1. This site uses cookies to help personalise content, tailor your experience and to keep you logged in if you register.
    By continuing to use this site, you are consenting to our use of cookies.