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...I’d personally stay away from hats marked S,M,L,or XL. They definitely are not accurate for sizing.

No doubt! I have a couple of Stetson hats up on eBay and one is marked "M" (measures out to 7-3/8) and one marked "L" (measures out to between a 7-1/4 and 7-3/8). Maybe Stetson added "XL" to the range at some point after the "M" was manufactured and adjusted the others down. Or they were just not very good at what they were doing in this time frame.
 

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Fantastic suggestion! I went just now, and the options were limited in larger sizes, but Justin brand does indeed properly name sizes. A 7 3/8 fit decently enough, to where it didn't fall off when I bent over (if anything it felt somewhat loose), and it seemed to come down farther on my head/closer to my ear, which is something I have been wanting to improve upon over my last hat.

So now I'm really confused. It definitely wasn't tight, but I'd have pinned myself at a 7 1/2 at the very minimum.

They had another labeled L-XL that seemed a nice fit. But as you say, that doesn't give me the info I seek.

I'm going to take a quick jaunt to the antique store, and then downtown to a proper hat store (there used to be 2, now I'm not sure if either is around).

If your head measures near the upper end of the chart below you might find that your choices are limited in a vintage hat.

I have heard this as well. Any idea why this is? I know the vintage Ray-Bans I wear constantly are more available second hand in one size now than the other, even though the other was apparently the standard size. As to why, I'm not sure.

I think these Ray-Bans are part of the reason I am interested in buying vintage wherever possible. They're superior in every way to the modern remake (imo) and definitely the prized possession of my clothing and accouterments.

Thanks, all. I hope you like reading. Brevity was never my strong suit.
 
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Fantastic suggestion! I went just now, and the options were limited in larger sizes, but Justin brand does indeed properly name sizes. A 7 3/8 fit decently enough, to where it didn't fall off when I bent over (if anything it felt somewhat loose), and it seemed to come down farther on my head/closer to my ear, which is something I have been wanting to improve upon over my last hat.

So now I'm really confused. It definitely wasn't tight, but I'd have pinned myself at a 7 1/2 at the very minimum.

They had another labeled L-XL that seemed a nice fit. But as you say, that doesn't give me the info I seek.

I'm going to take a quick jaunt to the antique store, and then downtown to a proper hat store (there used to be 2, now I'm not sure if either is around).



I have heard this as well. Any idea why this is? I know the vintage Ray-Bans I wear constantly are more available second hand in one size now than the other, even though the other was apparently the standard size. As to why, I'm not sure.

I think these Ray-Bans are part of the reason I am interested in buying vintage wherever possible. They're superior in every way to the modern remake (imo) and definitely the prized possession of my clothing and accouterments.

Thanks, all. I hope you like reading. Brevity was never my strong suit.

Larger sizes in vintage hats are more difficult to find because fewer were made and sold - average head sizes remain smaller than 7 1/2 to this day, though they've appeared to get larger over the years. Currently, 7 1/4 is seen to be the sweet spot, and there is mucho competition for hats of that size. Get bigger and the pool of available hats is reduced, as is the number of those competing for them. Put that together, and you can see some pretty high prices for larger sized vintage hats.
 

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Larger sizes in vintage hats are more difficult to find because fewer were made and sold - average head sizes remain smaller than 7 1/2 to this day, though they've appeared to get larger over the years. Currently, 7 1/4 is seen to be the sweet spot, and there is mucho competition for hats of that size. Get bigger and the pool of available hats is reduced, as is the number of those competing for them. Put that together, and you can see some pretty high prices for larger sized vintage hats.
I am not much bigger than my father. He wore 7 1/8, once in a while a 7 1/4" based on the hats he left when de died. Me, I am a fat 7 3/8".....and certainly no smarter than him even with the larger cranium.
 
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I am not much bigger than my father. He wore 7 1/8, once in a while a 7 1/4" based on the hats he left when de died. Me, I am a fat 7 3/8".....and certainly no smarter than him even with the larger cranium.

Our skulls are probably getting thicker, rather than our brains getting bigger, LOL.

At 7 3/8, you'll get your share, and you just have to be diligent - even a little obsessive - and you'll come across some hats that fit that you'll really like.
 

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Our skulls are probably getting thicker, rather than our brains getting bigger, LOL.

At 7 3/8, you'll get your share, and you just have to be diligent - even a little obsessive - and you'll come across some hats that fit that you'll really like.
I have abandoned the hunt unless it comes up here in the Lounge from a trusted source......My judgement is not to be trusted
 

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Thanks for the continued help.

It hasn't been a great day in terms of my hat quest. I'm incredibly confused.

I tried on a hat downtown labeled "X-Large (7 1/2 - 7 5/8)" and it was the loosest hat I've ever put on. It was like a bucket. It wasn't even making contact with all sides of my head. It would have fallen right off if I even tilted my head down. (It was a hat by "Bruno Capelo Luxury Headwear," FWIW.)

At the other store downtown, both the L and XL were too small.

I did go downtown, but my city has seen better days.

The labels are undoubtedly incorrect. My head circumference is definitely no less than 23 1/4". The hat I've worn for years, a wool Stetson labeled L was very tight and I deformed it significantly through stretching.

What is also strange is that a really nice vintage cowboy hat I tried on at the antique shop was labeled 7 1/2 and was so small it just sat on top of my head. It was in great condition; baffling it shrank that much.

Worst news is that my hat arrived in the mail. It has a brim 1/2" wider than advertised and is too big for my head (at a label of XL). It looks pretty silly on me, really.

I guess I'm just filling you in. I don't think there's any helping me with this now. Maybe I'll make a trip to Pittsburgh and try some better known brands on.

Feeling a bit defeated at this point. Looks like I'll be dressing down for a while.
 

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Maybe the etsy seller miraculously lives nearby and I can go see it. Or maybe there's a return policy? If a vintage 7 1/2 cowboy hat at the antique store sat on top of my head it was so small, there's no prayer of a 7 1/8 fitting.

Oh well. I think I give up, but thank you for your insights and kindness!
 

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Thanks for the continued help.

It hasn't been a great day in terms of my hat quest. I'm incredibly confused.

I tried on a hat downtown labeled "X-Large (7 1/2 - 7 5/8)" and it was the loosest hat I've ever put on. It was like a bucket. It wasn't even making contact with all sides of my head. It would have fallen right off if I even tilted my head down. (It was a hat by "Bruno Capelo Luxury Headwear," FWIW.)

At the other store downtown, both the L and XL were too small.

I did go downtown, but my city has seen better days.

The labels are undoubtedly incorrect. My head circumference is definitely no less than 23 1/4". The hat I've worn for years, a wool Stetson labeled L was very tight and I deformed it significantly through stretching.

What is also strange is that a really nice vintage cowboy hat I tried on at the antique shop was labeled 7 1/2 and was so small it just sat on top of my head. It was in great condition; baffling it shrank that much.

Worst news is that my hat arrived in the mail. It has a brim 1/2" wider than advertised and is too big for my head (at a label of XL). It looks pretty silly on me, really.

I guess I'm just filling you in. I don't think there's any helping me with this now. Maybe I'll make a trip to Pittsburgh and try some better known brands on.

Feeling a bit defeated at this point. Looks like I'll be dressing down for a while.
Trying on and buying hats labeled L, XL etc is folly. Each maker has a different definition of what that actually means. I often think that a hat with generic sizing like that is designed specifically to disappoint the largest number of buyers. Even with sized hats that are mass produced by the big boys like Stetson, Akubra etal there is variance...even within the marked measure.....one 7 3/8 might fit while another will not. The only way you will get a hat that you are satisfied with is to either try it on in person or commission a custom hat.

Have you identified if you are a Long Oval, Regular Oval, or an Extra Long Oval? This is an aspect that is on top of the actual measurement. If you are a LO then a 7 3/8" inch in a Reg Oval will not feel right on your head. If you are interested I can give you a way to determine your head shape.
 

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Trying on and buying hats labeled L, XL etc is folly. Each maker has a different definition of what that actually means. I often think that a hat with generic sizing like that is designed specifically to disappoint the largest number of buyers. Even with sized hats that are mass produced by the big boys like Stetson, Akubra etal there is variance...even within the marked measure.....one 7 3/8 might fit while another will not. The only way you will get a hat that you are satisfied with is to either try it on in person or commission a custom hat.

Have you identified if you are a Long Oval, Regular Oval, or an Extra Long Oval? This is an aspect that is on top of the actual measurement. If you are a LO then a 7 3/8" inch in a Reg Oval will not feel right on your head. If you are interested I can give you a way to determine your head shape.

That certainly seems to be the case. I like the way you stated it, as well.

I have determined that the seller has a store 5 hours away. I hope I don't end up going on a whim to try on a hat that is 90% sure not to fit.

The only hat I've ever worn that has fit well was my first fedora. Got it for $20 from Burlington Coat Factory back when they still sold trench coats and fedoras. It was wool and would not impress anyone here, but it fit perfectly and looked good (I would have wanted a 1/4" wider brim with a little more flange, in hindsight). Maybe I'll put up Lost Hat posters if I'm ever back in Sarasota.

Yes, that would be a good thing to learn, if you'd be willing to share! Thanks belfast
 

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That certainly seems to be the case. I like the way you stated it, as well.

I have determined that the seller has a store 5 hours away. I hope I don't end up going on a whim to try on a hat that is 90% sure not to fit.

The only hat I've ever worn that has fit well was my first fedora. Got it for $20 from Burlington Coat Factory back when they still sold trench coats and fedoras. It was wool and would not impress anyone here, but it fit perfectly and looked good (I would have wanted a 1/4" wider brim with a little more flange, in hindsight). Maybe I'll put up Lost Hat posters if I'm ever back in Sarasota.

Yes, that would be a good thing to learn, if you'd be willing to share! Thanks belfast
It really is easy ....You need 3 decent sized pipe cleaners in a decent weight. Join 3 together with a twist leaving an open end. Place around your head and twist it together where you would prefer a hat to sit. Gently remove it..easing it off your head without untwisting. Either post a pic or measure side to side and top to bottom...(inner dimension).
 

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Well the linked hat has a pressed in crease, so it's not super, duper old. The current Stetson Chatham is very, very similar, with a slightly slimmer ribbon, even has the suede finish.

https://www.delmonicohatter.com/product/IT503.htm

The Stetson Downs is essentially the same in regular finish felt:
https://www.delmonicohatter.com/product/TF22100723DWNS.htm


In addition to the Chatham and Downs Delmonico carries the Stetson Mercury which has a 2" brim. Narrow down your size and call Delmonico's for some advise. They are a good shop to deal with.
https://www.delmonicohatter.com/product/TF22103820MCRY.htm
 
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Larger sizes in vintage hats are more difficult to find because fewer were made and sold - average head sizes remain smaller than 7 1/2 to this day, though they've appeared to get larger over the years. Currently, 7 1/4 is seen to be the sweet spot, and there is mucho competition for hats of that size. Get bigger and the pool of available hats is reduced, as is the number of those competing for them. Put that together, and you can see some pretty high prices for larger sized vintage hats.


Wasn’t there a survey/poll of members hat sizes here on The Lounge? As I recall, 7 3/8 was the average. As you said, the better vintage hats in larger sizes are not often cheap.
 
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Wasn’t there a survey/poll of members hat sizes here on The Lounge? As I recall, 7 3/8 was the average. As you said, the better vintage hats in larger sizes are not often cheap.
Unless we're thinking of two different polls, 7-3/8 and 7-1/2 were the most common sizes. I remember that because I thought smaller sizes would have been more prevalent 80-100 years ago. Unfortunately, the links I found leading to that thread are now broken and lead nowhere.

I did find this poll, but it's results are different from the one I mentioned above.
 
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Unless we're thinking of two different polls, 7-3/8 and 7-1/2 were the most common sizes. I remember that because I thought smaller sizes would have been more prevalent 80-100 years ago. Unfortunately, the links I found leading to that thread are now broken and lead nowhere.

I did find this poll, but it's results are different from the one I mentioned above.


You should bump that old survey. We need people to complete the survey though and not just comment in the thread as often happens.
 

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Stetson Mercury

Does anyone know how long the Mercury has been around? It definitely seems to be what I'm looking for. I want to buy something as vintage as possible; that is my second priority after having the aesthetics I'm looking for met.

@belfastboy With help from a gentleman at Hatterie Inc. - a brick and mortar hat shop in Akron - I determined that I am most likely a 7-3/8 LO, at least in Stetsons. I hope that doesn't complicate my search, the LO part.
 

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Does anyone know how long the Mercury has been around? It definitely seems to be what I'm looking for. I want to buy something as vintage as possible; that is my second priority after having the aesthetics I'm looking for met.

@belfastboy With help from a gentleman at Hatterie Inc. - a brick and mortar hat shop in Akron - I determined that I am most likely a 7-3/8 LO, at least in Stetsons. I hope that doesn't complicate my search, the LO part.
The good news is that Stetson marks their hats if they are LO. The bad news is it narrows the field by a lot. Depends how patient you are. Check out Miami Bruno on Ebay he offers 1940's vintage and often has 7 3/8". Good hats, fair pricing, quality seller.
 

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Does anyone know how long the Mercury has been around? It definitely seems to be what I'm looking for. I want to buy something as vintage as possible; that is my second priority after having the aesthetics I'm looking for met.

@belfastboy With help from a gentleman at Hatterie Inc. - a brick and mortar hat shop in Akron - I determined that I am most likely a 7-3/8 LO, at least in Stetsons. I hope that doesn't complicate my search, the LO part.
If you want vintage quality stay away from modern Stetsons......not a fan here.
 

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The good news is that Stetson marks their hats if they are LO. The bad news is it narrows the field by a lot. Depends how patient you are. Check out Miami Bruno on Ebay he offers 1940's vintage and often has 7 3/8". Good hats, fair pricing, quality seller.


Thank you for the info. I was unable to find that seller on eBay.

If anyone knows of a vintage 2" brim, 4.5" crown, black fur felt teardrop (preferably raw edge), I'd appreciate any guidance
 

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