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Discussion in 'Hats' started by Lefty, Sep 2, 2009.

  1. deadlyhandsome

    deadlyhandsome I'll Lock Up

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    I think spray starch would rapidly dissolve in moisture. I’ve used hairspray (Bowen’s recommendation) and it worked pretty good. Adding the desired stiffness without compromising the hats ability to breath is the trick. I have a can of aerosol waterproof glue that would definitely firm it up, but I’d be concerned that hat wouldn’t breath afterwards.


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  2. Bamaboots

    Bamaboots I'll Lock Up

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    Jonesy, I've got a couple of montecristi westerns that I freshened up this spring. AL humidity is like wearing them in the shower. One is a 50's Stetson OR type and the other is 70-80's Wrangler by Miller Bros. I gave the Stetson a sponge bath as well.

    The Stetson was floppy all around the brim and about to lose any evidence of a flange. The Wrangler had a wire supported brim. I removed the wire and the brim had no evidence of ever having any stiffener applied. Using a cheap paintbrush I applied several coats of Bullseye shellac, mix ratio:10-1, alcohol to shellac. I've done this with some less expensive felts w/o any ill results. An alcohol bath will remove excess shellac if need be. I was finally able to shape the brim on the Wrangler and the Stetson got it's personality back.
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    Kinda Roy Rodgersed the Wrangler.
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  3. AbbaDatDeHat

    AbbaDatDeHat I'll Lock Up

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    ^^^^excellent Bama!
     
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  4. Bamaboots

    Bamaboots I'll Lock Up

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    Thank you, B.
     
  5. AbbaDatDeHat

    AbbaDatDeHat I'll Lock Up

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    Bullseye shellac? Is that a particular type shellac or are they all the same. All i know is it’s an old time furniture finisher.
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  6. Bamaboots

    Bamaboots I'll Lock Up

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    Here you go, B. Available everywhere.
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    What it looks like mixed. This is not an endorsement.
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  7. AbbaDatDeHat

    AbbaDatDeHat I'll Lock Up

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    You’re a good man Bama. Thanks again.
    Will prob try it on this.
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  8. Bamaboots

    Bamaboots I'll Lock Up

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    They are not. Look for clear as you see here, shellac flakes from suppliers and such. There are some sprays and I'd as soon use hair spray as some lacquer sprays. If you're going to use hair spray, use the cheapest, fragrance free you can find. They'll likely be lacquer based and do a decent job. Don't have a clue what the hatters here use.
     
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  9. AbbaDatDeHat

    AbbaDatDeHat I'll Lock Up

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    Oh i’ve used plain old AquaNet several times on felt with no downside. Never thought of using it on straw. I’ve also tried actual spray material stiffener, spray starch for ironing and some other stuff with drawbacks. Not sure how Aquanet does after a rain but it does the job.
    Good advice on the shellac type. Maybe i’ll go easy with hairspray first. It is o good old panama.
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  10. Hat and Rehat

    Hat and Rehat Call Me a Cab

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    I consistently purchase the "Buy Now" hats I want at a lower price if the have a "Make Offer" option. They've accepted my offer every time! The next thing you know, I have to pay for it.


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  11. Hat and Rehat

    Hat and Rehat Call Me a Cab

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    DH already steered me to that, and I saw your before and after. Nice job! It looks great.
    Mine is a siverbelly, probably the same vintage, as the liner is identical. It was flanged high, or at least flat, and pretty stiff with the sides curled. I usually like the front of a brim to snap down, or rest that way, so I've been washing it out with denatured alcahol, a little bit at a time.
    My thought was to make it a cold weather 'Open Road', but after seeing that brim Brent was just sporting, my plans may be evolving. I'm thinking of a 3" brim with a pencil curl.

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  12. Hat and Rehat

    Hat and Rehat Call Me a Cab

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    Great post! I have a house full of thrift store straw hats I want to launch my business venture with., offering refurbished hats as well as cleaning, shaping and reblocking services, meeting people and hopefully leading to contract work for custom hats. I've already got pleated replacement hatbands on the way, have a pile of grosgrain bows made to go with my ribbon, and have ideas for a three teired sweat band option. I was looking forward to a lot of experimentation to get the stiffening right, and feeling like the spring straw hat buying season was running away from me.
    You may have saved my bacon.
    Mucho Gracias!

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  13. the uncowboy

    the uncowboy New in Town

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    I recently bought a Hemp Open Road. It's a new hat, but was purchased from the Hatco outlet so it had probably seen a bunch of try-ons. I didn't notice anything when I bought it, but on the first wear out in the sun I discovered that the hat smells NASTY. Reminds me of a sick camel I once met in India. Or really bad BO. Or a sick camel with really bad BO!

    The smell seems to be coming primarily from the leather sweatband.

    I've tried wiping down the band and/or the interior of the hat with: a damp cloth, a Lysol disinfecting wipe, a bit of vinegar and water, a bit of Windex, water with peppermint castile soap. I've also putting it out in the sun for 4 or 5 hours. About 80% of the smell is gone, but the remaining 20% makes it not very pleasant to wear.

    A forum search suggested putting stinky hats in the freezer (like some do with denim). Not enough room in our freezer right now, but may try this too.

    I'm thinking about really soaking/dunking the whole hat in pure water to see if I can soak the smell out. Will a good bath harm the hemp or make it shrink?

    Has anyone else encountered this? Any suggestions?
     
  14. Steinbockhase

    Steinbockhase A-List Customer

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    You might ruin the hat by soaking it in water.
    The leather sweat will most likely shrink and even if the water doesn't damage the hemp weave directly, it will be more fragil in wet state and definately lose its shape.
    How about baking soda in a bowl and then putting hat and bowl in a plastic bag or air-tight container for a few days?
     
  15. Rmccamey

    Rmccamey One Too Many

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    Puttting a scented dryer sheet in the hatbox often works for me.

     
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  16. Hat and Rehat

    Hat and Rehat Call Me a Cab

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    I believe I saw a thread heading about removing odots from a hat. Try an external search engine with The Fedora Lounge in your search parameters.

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  17. jonesy86

    jonesy86 Call Me a Cab

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    Great tip, thanks BB.


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  18. jonesy86

    jonesy86 Call Me a Cab

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    Hairspray eh? Easy enough to give it a try. Thanks DH


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  19. jonesy86

    jonesy86 Call Me a Cab

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    Let us know how it works out B.


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  20. Bamaboots

    Bamaboots I'll Lock Up

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    I've got hairspray in my work box but just like it will on someone's hair, it'll break down in high humidity and wet conditions but shellac will hold a little better and is easier to revive with steam.
     

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