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  1. Hat and Rehat

    Hat and Rehat One Too Many

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    Did he mean etymology?

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  2. JessieJames

    JessieJames One of the Regulars

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    I'm getting a western weight 3" flat brim fedora, raw edge so expect it to be stiff to hold up which I'm fine with. It goes with what I wanted actually. These are more hipster fashion hats then they will be dress hats. I wear my hats a bit different than you gents.
     
  3. Rmccamey

    Rmccamey One Too Many

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    Hip, hipster, cool, new-age, groovy, wild, rad, and laid-back, we love them all and we like to share new looks, new colors and new ideas. Keep us updated JJ, anticipation is contagious :)
     
  4. deadlyhandsome

    deadlyhandsome I'll Lock Up

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    No. Taxonomy...the science of classifying things...normally based on shared attributes.


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  5. jlee562

    jlee562 I'll Lock Up

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    With a flat brim, stiffer is better, IMHO.
     
  6. JessieJames

    JessieJames One of the Regulars

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    I want to get a fashion western. I'm going to go with Gannon to make the hat but he does a lot more dress hat with ribbons and doesn't have any leather, bandanas or "hat belts" on hand. Do any of you have any online resources of accessories for hats I could easily buy and throw on?
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  7. drmaxtejeda

    drmaxtejeda I'll Lock Up

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    Etymology wouldn't be arbitrary... It's more of a historical conjecture, I'd say.

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  8. deadlyhandsome

    deadlyhandsome I'll Lock Up

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    Rick @humanshoes does leather bands. He’s pretty backed up so i don’t know if he’s able to take on your project or it the wait would work for you. Doesn’t hurt to ask.


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  9. Hat and Rehat

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    A little curl will reduce the need for stiffener. Fur felt should retain its shape pretty well anyway. I don't own any of Mike's hats, but you may be pleasantly surprised if your idea of stiff western weight is based on experience of flat brimmed wool cowboy hats you might have come across. From what everyone is saying about him, you'll probably be more than happy with how soft and flexible Mike will make your 'stiff' hat.

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  10. Hat and Rehat

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    I know. I was teasing. There does also seem to be a bit of etymology at the root of the subject matter, I believe.
    My son in law is Australian, and we travelled there for a week and a half early last year. Being a British colony that never made an abrubt, violent break, but were instead proud of their loyalty to the UK and crown, Aussies have a lot of "English" in them. Meat pies are still quite popular there. The family who we're now joined with through our children like to have them in the morning. They aren't all round. I don't think I ate any round ones, to be honest. The correct taxonomy of pie may be related to a baked pastry shell surrounding some savory filling. Even though pies often were round, that may be more incidental than a defined attribute of pieness. I believe Shakespeare called them coffins, which was an accepted term for large ones, while smaller, tall ones were called tarts.
    Sassy young women became labeled tarts. Did some other women .....
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    I think I'll let Dr. Max speculate about that .... he seems willing to play with matches.

    When I was reading a lot of things about the history of hats, very shortly before I joined the Lounge, I came across that story about poor black musicians wearing cast offs with the tattered brims cut way back. I came across at least one other, contradictory, history of the pork pie as well. I don't remember it though. I do remember that one. I can be as pedantic as the next guy on many subject matters, but on things with a lot of ambiguity, or that have little or no life and death consequences involved in getting the correct answer, I'm okay to roll with the better story over an uninteresting truth, at least until evidence demonstrates me a fool.
    I wont say that has never happened.
    Maybe people in pre Victorian England made hats out pastry, so naturally made them round, like any other hat.
    Then again, maybe round pies came with mass production and pie tins, which could place things in the days of Riverboats and hungry travellers leaving the river to search out a berth on some vesell ready to head for open seas.
    If nothing else, pork pie history might be a very interesting bit of detective work to take on.
    Formulating a hypothesis is only the start.

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  11. Hat and Rehat

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    I almost forgot, what hat did Sweeny Todd wear?
     
  12. Robieman

    Robieman One of the Regulars

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    I have found different kinds of hat bands on Ebay in the past. I think I did a online search for hatbands and got a bunch of hits. Just takes time to go thru them to see what is out there. If you like or think you'd like a horsehair hat band, "Knot-a-tail.com" has very nice ones. I have bought several from her.
     
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  13. humanshoes

    humanshoes Vendor

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    You might consider checking out the used belt selections at your local thrift stores. I've found many good leather belts that can be shortened to make perfect hatbands. This company has an excellent selection of hat worthy feathers https://www.continentalfeathers.com/ I also cruise the trim and ribbon sections of my local fabric stores. The possibilities there are limitless. If you really want to get involved and try your hand at some leather stamping, a trip to Tandy Leather might be in order. The good folks there will sell you pre-cut leather strips, show you a multitude of stamp pattern options, and demonstrate how to use them. Here's a pic of a Celtic basket weave wristband I made using a single stamp. It's simple and easy to do...really.
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  14. jlee562

    jlee562 I'll Lock Up

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    Western hat shops sometimes have a big pile of bands that were replaced before the hat left the store. I know my local shop does. They offer a limited selection of things online
    https://www.knudsenhats.com/hat-accessories

    Smithbilt doesn't show a whole lot online, but they are over in Calgary so maybe worth a call or email to see if they'll sell you a band
    https://smithbilthats.com

    Otherwise, I'd also second etsy.
     
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  15. belfastboy

    belfastboy My Mail is Forwarded Here

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    I was just in Cortez CO and shopped in a native crafts store. He had a few hat bands in black leather with individual silver conches, small rectangles with Native designs on each. Each one a miniature work of art. It was stunning but decided the price too rich for me. But it was stunning. If interested PM me and I can get you the name. They do mail order.
     
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  16. Hat and Rehat

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    If there's no Tandy nearby, you can always cut up leather furniture.
     
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  17. JessieJames

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    Actually that's perfect I wrote them but they never answer my emails. I'm supposed to be headed there at the end of the summer and I went through their site and INstagram and didn't see anything about this so I wasn't sure
     
  18. Eddy2dice

    Eddy2dice New in Town

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    I’m from England so don’t know too much about American hats but I just bought this old stetson.
    Can anyone date it and help me out with its model/type please? It appears to be an open road. (Although it has no model stamped on the leather) but has a 3” brim, it’s not silverbelly colour but a light tan.
    It also has stamp of Chastain S department store (I can’t find them online either)
    Any info at all on this hat would be much appreciated.
    Cheers, Eddy
     
  19. Bamaboots

    Bamaboots I'll Lock Up

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    Hi, Eddy that's an interesting hat you have. Though not an Open Road it is similar. Open Roads have a grosgrain ribbon and bow whereas that hat has a three ply/cord ribbon. Looks to me that what you have is a 50's era Nutria Quality hat in a style that's familiar around here but has no name or model designation listed within the hat. The 3" brim by 6" open crown is a fairly popular style hat. From the late 40's to sometime in the 60's, Stetson produced a number of hats in the same style but in different quality designations. For example your particular hat would start at a No. 1 quality designation followed by Nutria Quality, 3X, 4X, 5X CB, 7X CB and the 100 at the top. These were all quality and price point designations. Your hat may also have some labels behind the sweat providing a little more info, though the sweat looks fragile so, careful there.

    I have included a pic from the page of a Miller-Stockman catalog from the 50's showing several Stetson Nutria Quality hats.There are several models on the page similar to yours. Hope this helps.

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  20. Eddy2dice

    Eddy2dice New in Town

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    Excellent tha
     
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