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humanshoes

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Welcome to the Lounge Barak Ness. It's hard to tell if your actually looking for information to help determine the age and value of your hat or if you're trying (unsuccessfully in this case) to support a conclusion you've already reached. Even if you take your hat completely out of the equation, the box that you say is original to the hat tells a story all by itself. The "original" box in your photos may well be original to your hat, but it is far from being old. It's just a standard, modern cardboard hat box and not something the old masters at Borsalino would have ever put their hats in. It would have been more along these lines, except older and likely fancier.
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Also, and I say this with all due respect, please don't make the mistake of literal interpretation of modern product branding. For instance, this coffee was not actually made in 1850 and no real gold, black or otherwise, was used in it's production.
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jlee562

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that is the same hat in both threads? If so, I apologize as the first picture like a completely differet headwear. Your Antica and other lettering is not 14K gold?
You didn't get a certificate authenticating this?
I did, that is why I said it.
Just out of curiousity; your Antica Casa is the not Italian manufacturer, Otherwise you would have the Made in Italy right above the the Italian Trademark at the end of the Borsalina.

Did this dude just tell me my Borso wasn't made in Italy?

Wow.
 
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I was just posting that to reference that I have actually being doing my due diligence, and documenting each step of the way. And 55 sticker is not on the modern sizes. The modern sizes start at 57

I just purchased three Borsalinos that are more desirable than yours and paid $145 for all three. A black (normally a less desirable color) hat in that style regularly sell in the $45-60 range and sometimes even less.


The gold sticker size tag on the sweat (see below) with sizes in three units of measurement: Metric, Punti, and US Imperial (my photo also shows UK sizing) only started to be used in recent times. It’s a sure sign it’s NOT vintage.

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The Borsalino in my photo above is a long hair and in a much more desirable size and it was for sale for $140 for several months before I bought it for $100.

Your hat is of decent quality and I like the brim treatment. It’s also common and not worth much. In that small of a size, I think $20-40 is your market.




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Barak Ness

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Welcome to the Lounge Barak Ness. It's hard to tell if your actually looking for information to help determine the age and value of your hat or if you're trying (unsuccessfully in this case) to support a conclusion you've already reached. Even if you take your hat completely out of the equation, the box that you say is original to the hat tells a story all by itself. The "original" box in your photos may well be original to your hat, but it is far from being old. It's just a standard, modern cardboard hat box and not something the old masters at Borsalino would have ever put their hats in. It would have been more along these lines, except older and likely fancier.View attachment 145406
Also, and I say this with all due respect, please don't make the mistake of literal interpretation of modern product branding. For instance, this coffee was not actually made in 1850 and no real gold, black or otherwise, was used in it's production. View attachment 145408


NO, I promise that I have been am just trying to The actually details. Even the two most essential companies that created and distrubted the hat are currently researching into it for me. Both Borsalino and Primo Hatters have had me submit everything so they can clarify with 100% accuracy.


Welcome to the Lounge Barak Ness. It's hard to tell if your actually looking for information to help determine the age and value of your hat or if you're trying (unsuccessfully in this case) to support a conclusion you've already reached. Even if you take your hat completely out of the equation, the box that you say is original to the hat tells a story all by itself. The "original" box in your photos may well be original to your hat, but it is far from being old. It's just a standard, modern cardboard hat box and not something the old masters at Borsalino would have ever put their hats in. It would have been more along these lines, except older and likely fancier.View attachment 145406
Also, and I say this with all due respect, please don't make the mistake of literal interpretation of modern product branding. For instance, this coffee was not actually made in 1850 and no real gold, black or otherwise, was used in it's production. View attachment 145408
 

Barak Ness

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NO, I promise that I have been am just trying to The actually details. Even the two most essential companies that created and distrubted the hat are currently researching into it for me. Both Borsalino and Primo Hatters have had me submit everything so they can clarify with 100% accuracy.

Both of the companies are researching it because they could not identify it with anything recent in their systems.
I have literally been to 10 different luxury hat outfitters and had their appraisers examine it.
 

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Barak Ness

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Both of the companies are researching it because they could not identify it with anything recent in their systems.
I have literally been to 10 different luxury hat outfitters and had their appraisers examine it.

Words only became disruptive between a few as I am not here to to be argue about hats, or want to be criticized over details unless someone has accurate detailed information that helps understanding and identifying the hat.
 

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Oh, do please list the names of these "luxury hat outfitters" and their "appraisers."

Borsalino is on the verge of Bankruptcy, and has been for quite some time, so I don't know what kind of crack "research" team they have over there.

Whomever told you that this was possibly a "first generation" Borsalino was mistaken. Likewise as to whomever told you that "Alessandria" denoted a range of quality. Ditto to whomever told you that "Antica Casa" was also a mark denoting quality or country of origin.

You've been given information here that is correct. You've been dismissive of it because it seems you are in search of evidence for your conclusion that this is a rare and/or valuable hat.
 

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Both of the companies are researching it because they could not identify it with anything recent in their systems.
I have literally been to 10 different luxury hat outfitters and had their appraisers examine it.
You might as well call WalMart for an appraisal at this point. Nothing you are saying is correct. Nothing.
 

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Words only became disruptive between a few as I am not here to to be argue about hats, or want to be criticized over details unless someone has accurate detailed information that helps understanding and identifying the hat.
Get this. YOU HAVE ALREADY BEEN GIVEN SUFFICIENT IDENTIFYING INFORMATION ON YOUR HAT TO KNOW THE VALUE AND MOVE ON.

You simply refuse to see it. You say you are not here to argue about hats. Clearly, you are not here to learn about hats, either, as you refuse to believe anything that doesn't confirm your ridiculous notions about your modern, mass produced hat.

First you claim to have a 1st generation hat, and say you have appraisals. Show us the appraisals, you liar.

Then you say date of manufacture has no bearing on value. This is absolutely false.

YOUR HAT IS NOTHING SPECIAL!!!!!

You claim the sweatband is hand sewn. It is NOT.

Antica Casa 1857 or Alessandria markings DO NOT DENOTE QUALITY.

ALL BORSALINO HATS ARE MADE IN ITALY..... ESPECIALLY THE HAT POSTED BY @jlee562 !!!!!
 
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Words only became disruptive between a few as I am not here to to be argue about hats, or want to be criticized over details unless someone has accurate detailed information that helps understanding and identifying the hat.

Not all hats can be identified. This is a common frustration here among those who are passionate collectors. Dating a hat can be difficult and often we can only get it to within a decade.

I have a dozen or so Borsalinos so I’m a lightweight here. Even I, with my limited knowledge, can say that your hat is absolutely no older than the the 1970s and I’d make a hefty bet that it was 1980s or newer. We can definitively state that the size tag/sticker on your hat was not used prior to the 1970s, and most likely even more recently. Your liner also screams recently made.

You need to understand that we see hats just like yours all the time. At a glance we can tell that your hat is of recent manufacture. It’s not a desirable color/shape and the size means very few people will be interested in it. I don’t know why you’re having such a hard time wrapping your head around the fact that the hat is common, recently made, and not worth much.

The fact that you thought that the Borsalino in the photo that @jlee562 shared wasn’t made in the Italy shows just how little you know about this brand. If someone gave you bad information I’m sorry, but I can’t understand why you hold onto that information while discounting real experts.


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that is the same hat in both threads? If so, I apologize as the first picture like a completely differet headwear. Your Antica and other lettering is not 14K gold?
You didn't get a certificate authenticating this?
I did, that is why I said it.

Just out of curiousity; your Antica Casa is the not Italian manufacturer, Otherwise you would have the Made in Italy right above the the Italian Trademark at the end of the Borsalina.
JARED'S HAT IS MADE IN ITALY. WHY IN THE WORLD WOULD YOU SAY OTHERWISE?
 

belfastboy

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I appreciate it; just send it to you.
Pictures sent. The brim treatment on my hat looks similar to yours, the liner is similar and mine has a similar size sticker and we have the same black leather sweat. I would venture that your hat is of the same vintage as mine....late 1980's or thereabouts. A quick check would be to look at the liner. Is the liner sewn in or glued? If it is glued then it is a very clear indication that it is at least as new as mid 1980's and maybe into the 1990's. As I stated I paid $135 for mine and I did over pay. I think $100 would have been closer to market value.
 
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