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  1. new2hats

    new2hats One of the Regulars

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    Hi, I am wondering about size and fit. I wear a 7 1/8 - 7 1/4. As you know some vintage 7 1/4 shrink and 7 1/8 can be stretched I somewhere in between. There is a hat on ebay that measures ~ 7 5/8 inches in length of interior band. Does anyone know what size that is, and can it be stretched to fit my head? Thanks in advance.
     
  2. Bill Hughes

    Bill Hughes Call Me a Cab

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    That would be a big stretch. You and I are the same size. Normally my hats are ~8" x ~6 1/4".
     
  3. new2hats

    new2hats One of the Regulars

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    Hey Bill, thanks for the quick response. There is an awesome hat on ebay and the seller does not know anything about it. I think it may be either a 7 or 7 1/8 judging by the measurements that they gave. Am so tempted to get it so cheaply and try to stretch it. Dont want to ruin the leather band if I overstretch but it is such an opportunity!
     
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  4. Bill Hughes

    Bill Hughes Call Me a Cab

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    If it is a really good deal I usually take the chance. But it has to be a REALLY GOOD deal. If it doesn't work out I list it in the Fedora Lounge classifieds and move it on. That's the reason it has to be a good deal - so I'm not out anything. It also lets my wife see me selling hats and therefore reducing my overall count. It's a fantastic thing for her to see me selling hats even though it is only because it doesn't fit. That's the silver lining thing you hear people talk about.
     
  5. new2hats

    new2hats One of the Regulars

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    I think it's a size 7 based on the measurements and the (L + W)/2 calculation. Have you stretched a hat from 7 to 71/8- 7 1/4 before with any luck?
     
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  6. Bill Hughes

    Bill Hughes Call Me a Cab

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    Never tried.
     
  7. Randall Renshaw

    Randall Renshaw Practically Family

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    I have. I’ve tried many things with many different hats, but most times they were undesirables that I didn’t mind experimenting on. That’s probably too long of a stretch and the sewn seam will bust apart. Plus, even if The stretch is a success, that much change will cause too much taper in most fedoras...if that’s an issue for you. It is with me. But hey, some hats can take a long stretch and some can’t take much at all...Even in the taper, if the hat has a very square or reverse taper built into it. It’s a crap shoot unless you hold the hat in hand for a study. Hope this helps you, Mr. Two Hats.
     
  8. Not sure where to post this, but if you have questions about your hat sold through Sears, you now have temporary free access to the catalog scans hosted on Ancestry.com. I think you have to have an account (and sign in), but it does not have to be active. Works for me anyway and I've not had paid access to Ancestry records for a few years.

    https://www.ancestry.com/search/collections/1670/

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  9. Rmccamey

    Rmccamey Call Me a Cab

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    As others have said, it really is a crap shoot and depends a lot on the hat. Based on how much I want a particular model and it's condition, I have the same debate myself. I'm a perfect 7 1/8 and, as Bill and others have said, I can sometimes buy up (1/4) or down (7) and get a good fit with felt strips inside the sweat or a bit of stretching but, again, that all depends on the hat. Some 7's I've bought had a very stiff sweat that would not stretch (beyond my comfort zone, that is, of not wanting to damage the hat) and some 1/4's were so large (relatively speaking) that even felt behind the sweat would not make it smaller without wrinkling the sweat making it uncomfortable to wear. But, again as Bill said, some that don't fit work well to sell later or trade for something that does fit. Just my $0.02 worth.


     
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  10. Bill Hughes

    Bill Hughes Call Me a Cab

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    Yes, good trade bait is often better than cash.
     
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  11. Anyone know the typical width of a western 6-ply ribbon?
     
  12. jlee562

    jlee562 I'll Lock Up

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  13. Bamaboots

    Bamaboots I'll Lock Up

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    Bob, I have two. One is the Stetson Arminto or whatever with the underbrim binding and it's 3/4" though it is actually two 3 plys stacked. The other is my Portis western that is one piece and is 5/8". I have another out for delivery today and I'll check it when it arrives.
     
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  14. Frunobulax

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    African or European?

    Oh, sorry, that's for an unladen swallow. Carry on.
     
  15. That was what triggered my question -- there was some grey-blue in there as well. This would be for a hat that Art at VS will be making, so wasn't sure if I should get Tim involved or if ribbon is "shared" among hatters. Maybe if I promise to get my next new hat from Tim. :)

    Thanks Greg -- appreciate it. An Arminto style hat is what I'm leaning towards.

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  16. Bamaboots

    Bamaboots I'll Lock Up

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    You thought this was the kinematic ratios in winged flight thread. No problem, happens all the time.
     
  17. carouselvic

    carouselvic I'll Lock Up

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    11/16"+-
     
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  18. Cotton1of2

    Cotton1of2 New in Town

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    Hi everyone,

    This will serve as my intro and a question or two.

    After stumbling across this excellent forum I decided to try to make a hat for my blackpowder hobby. Just for practice and curiosity, I ordered a long hair fur felt hat body from Fepsa and now I’m left with questions( I know I jumped into the deep end). I can’t seem to find any info on hat making with long hair bodies.

    I’ve seen videos and read some great articles on hat making with smooth felt, so can someone tell me the differences I should consider with long hair? Do I treat the process of blocking and ironing the same? Is there a special treatment to lay the hair down and give it a sheen or does ironing do that? Can the brim be cut and brushed back to a natural looking edge or must it be edged with ribbon?

    Also, I don’t know the fur content of this hat but it’s advertised as 100% fur. It’s pretty flimsy as of now. Will blocking and ironing stiffen the hat or should I consider some “stiffener” product?

    Below is a pic of my hat body, a top hat with the finish I’m after and Manuel Lisa’s hat which I like the shape of.

    Thank you all for your feedback!


     
  19. jlee562

    jlee562 I'll Lock Up

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    Well, the generic answer from this non-hatmaker: appears to be yes. Scientific Hat Finishing describes some variation on techniques for 'napped' felts and velours.

    https://archive.org/details/scientifichatfin00erma/page/74
     
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  20. Cotton1of2

    Cotton1of2 New in Town

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    Wow, that’s a better answer than I expected! Thank you for this!
     
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